Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/01/04

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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Afghanistan followup
From: spencer at (Spencer Cheng)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:42:30 -0500
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Hi George, 

I am not a historian. To me, if I look at recent history, it is rare for 
democracy to be successfully imposed externally. Even when it has been 
successfully imposed (Japan, post-WWII), democracy was transformed. 
Democracy is very malleable and can be instantiated in many different forms 
which some people may not classify as democracy. :)


Walls never work. The Great Wall didn't work. The Maginot Line didn't 
either. We are dealing with a global clash of cultures and religions. My 
opinions only of course. :)

But we are drifting way off topic so this is my last comment on this topic 

To get back to Leica photography, this 
(need-to-be-rescanned-now-that-I-have-IT8-target) picture (K64/M4P/35 
pre-asph Sumicron) near Passu on the Karakoram Highway in the far northern 
part of Pakistan. The peaks across the valley are quite high, probably 
around 6000-7000M high. The road you see curving around the bottom is the 
KKH, the main, and only, road to China built at a cost of approximately one 
life per kilometre. It is, at best, a 2-lane road.



On Jan 3, 2010, at 13:36, George Lottermoser wrote:

> Thank you for your thoughtful and real observations Spencer.
> Do you think it realistic
> for outside cultures (British, Russian, now U.S.)
> to arrive uninvited
> and attempt to deliver democracy (or any other form of governance) to 
> these areas
> (with guns in hand)?
> especially when you point out the previous failures.

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