Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/10/22
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Chris, I am of your view 100% Cheers Jayanand On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Chris Saganich <chs2018 at med.cornell.edu> wrote: > What I don't wish to see displayed in public: > > Kids eating happy meals. > Middle class families eating KFC. > Sugary foods and drink adds during children TV shows. > > http://www.spurgeonworld.com/blog/images/obesity.jpg > > http://www.bored.com/billboards/images/mcdonalds_hip.2.jpg > > Remember, not so long ago: > > http://www.bored.com/billboards/images/reagan.jpg > > Example of perceptual shift or what we call creating negative valence for a > product: > > http://www.soloflex.com/wp-content/uploads/Glass-of-Human-Fat-Debuts-In-New-Health-Department-Ads-Gothamist.jpg > > Art and the counterfactual argument to "just making a living". > > http://www.chrisjordan.com/current_set2.php?id=11 > > > > > At 03:26 PM 10/22/2009, you wrote: >> >> The contempt is aimed at the industry. ?I suppose there aren't too many >> LUGGERS photographing children eating happy meals for bilboards. ?For >> those >> who are, please stop. >> >> >> At 02:05 PM 10/22/2009, you wrote: >>> >>> Gee Chris, YOU NEVER MENTIONED TV ADVERTISING very 3 minutes or so? >>> >>> Is it we the photographers who tick you off or is it the constant >>> bombardment by TV commercials that make you so angry? >>> ted >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Saganich" >>> <chs2018 at med.cornell.edu> >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Stock Photography >>> >>> >>>> And if anyone wishes to save photography from oblivion there needs to >>>> be a serious critical perception shift away from the devaluation of >>>> imagery which is promoted through editorial and advertising. ?This >>>> can start by critically thinking about the role of imagery in >>>> non-ethical advertising practices. ?I consider all advertising >>>> non-ethical but that is just my somewhat radical (but justified) >>>> view. ?Yes. I'm likely to deface a billboard rather then chain myself >>>> to an old oak tree...so laugh if you like I find advertising an >>>> initial condition for much of the modern ill's we face, from economy >>>> to obesity, because it creates and manipulates all our cues. ?Cues, >>>> or another way to look at it is our salient attention, what we pay >>>> attention to. ?Images are used predominantly to create and reinforce >>>> our cues. ?As Tina's images cue people to care or give money on the >>>> positive side, similar images could be used to cue people to despise >>>> and vilify the same people. ?When I walk around I see images that are >>>> predominantly used in ways to cue people into unhealthy socially and >>>> civilly degrading behavior and thinking. ?I don't see a cell phone >>>> advertisement, I see the promotion of a product that will very likely >>>> have profound health effects on its heaviest users 20 years from >>>> now. ?When I see a child enjoying a Happy Meal I don't see a happy >>>> kid, I see 100 million 25 year olds with a health profile that makes >>>> most doctors shudder and the collapse of our health care >>>> system. ?Call it a crusade I suppose but I HATE ADVERTISING and >>>> images are it's core component. ? So it turns my stomach to see >>>> photography and images used like that to cue people into all these >>>> unhealthy, negative behaviors just for the profit. ?Profit over >>>> people is mostly how I see images being used. ?It's just a >>>> living?...a living breathing, breeding, disaster in my opinion. >>>> >>>> >>>> At 06:11 PM 10/21/2009, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: "Chris Saganich" <chs2018 at med.cornell.edu> >>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:50 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Stock Photography >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Advertising IS maleficence in action. ?Editorial is not so much >>>>>> better in my book, just promoting the rational. ?It's easy to >>>>>> rationalize "making a living" doing just about anything. ?Too bad >>>>>> that seems to be where the argument ends, that making a living >>>>>> justifies ignoring the ethical comportment of the industries we work >>>>>> in. ?I can only wish I could choose which images could be stripped >>>>>> naked, exploited, and discarded and which ones could not. ? ?The very >>>>>> idea of purposely making an image for that destiny turns my >>>>>> stomach. ?Like a rack of ribs to a Buddhist. >>>>> >>>>> Gee Chris I sure wish I understood what you mean ? Maybe I could be >>>>> of help to clear this up in your description. Maybe? >>>>> Dr. ted >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release Date: >>> 10/22/09 08:51:00 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >