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Subject: [Leica] Looser Framing [was Re: recrop: [WAS Re: BOATING PAD #14 - Why Powerboaters Hate Sailors]]
From: r.s.taylor at comcast.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:19:19 -0400
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Thanks Sonny.  I'm glad you're enjoying them .  I'll see what I can do  
about some Stone Horse on-board activity.  It's might not be easy  
since I'm usually the one raising and trimming sails but I'll see what  
I can come up with.

Some of Yosigo's shots made me think of "Where's Waldo."  He seems to  
like vignetting, too.  Many are *really* nice to my eye, though.

Get that boat in the water!  That's an order.  :-)

Regards,

Dick



On Aug 06, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Sonny Carter wrote:

> I'm really digging these boat shots, would like to see some shots from
> aboard the Stone Horse.   I think in the fall I might be able to  
> take my
> little yawlboat out for a spin if I have one of my sons home to lend  
> a hand.
>
> Here's a photographer who takes the "more air" idea to an interesting
> extreme.  I'd love to see some big prints of his work.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/yosigo/sets/72157600069013138/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Richard Taylor  
> <r.s.taylor at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I like the looser framing, too.  It's less powerful but more
>> informative.
>>
>> I have very much taken to heart the advice I've been given over the  
>> years
>> (right back to Ralph Hattersley, remember him?) to move in close,  
>> to isolate
>> the subject, and to reduce or eliminate extraneous detail.  This  
>> does create
>> powerful images.  I also think that it takes some of the, oh what  
>> word to
>> use, maybe "air" out of the shot.  Framing more loosely seems to  
>> give the
>> subject more breathing room and the observers eye more room to  
>> wander.  As
>> long as there is nothing distracting in the looser frame I think it  
>> makes
>> for more interesting and informative photos.
>>
>> To my mind those rocks take the story of the image beyond the  
>> potential
>> conflict between the big tug and the little sailboat to include the  
>> fact
>> that this potential conflict is playing out in a very constricted  
>> arena with
>> consequences that go way beyond a small boat being run down by the  
>> large tug
>> (as bad as that is).
>>
>> I see this approach in many of your photos, Nathan, and am going to  
>> work on
>> pushing mine in that direction, too.
>>
>> One doesn't need to deliver a sock in the jaw every time out.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 06, 2009, at 1:26 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>>
>> I prefer the original version.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>> Alicante, Spain
>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>
>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, the value of judging in these contests has always been  
>>> suspect to
>>>> me.  It seems to lead to conformity, IMHO.  But that said, I  
>>>> cropped out the
>>>> rocks.  The result is here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2009_boating_pad/300_4199_crop.jpg.html
>>>> or
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/l3ltkf
>>>>
>>>> The cropped version certainly emphasizes the anticipated crash,  
>>>> but to my
>>>> mind loses the piece of information that they are both in a very  
>>>> narrow
>>>> channel.
>>>>
>>>> It'd be interesting to hear what others think.  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Dick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 05, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Philip Price wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dick, I belong to a photographic society here, ( UK ) and we  
>>>> have
>>>>> monthly competitions which are always keenly contested, our  
>>>>> regular club
>>>>> membership is 70 /80 members. I regularly enter prints, with it  
>>>>> must be said
>>>>> varying degrees of success ! Over the years I have learnt to  
>>>>> anticipate what
>>>>> the judge will like or not like, believe me some of them can be  
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> ferocious with their comments ! I do love the drama in your shot  
>>>>> but I know
>>>>> the judge in a competition would probaly comment on those rocks.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an amateur though I listen, and then go out and do the same  
>>>>> thing
>>>>> again, after all its for my pleasure not some judge who is  
>>>>> definitely not on
>>>>> my Christmas card list !!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy snapping Phil.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 4:29:11 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BOATING PAD #14 - Why Powerboaters Hate  
>>>>> Sailors
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, that's interesting.  I had thought that the rocks and  
>>>>> distant
>>>>> shore added to the drama by emphasizing the narrowness of the  
>>>>> channel in
>>>>> which all this drama was occurring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for commenting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 05, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Philip Price wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Lots of drama, and movement in the shot, just a pity about the  
>>>>> rocks in
>>>>>> the bottom right forground.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Ric Carter <ricc at embarqmail.com>
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 6:56:56 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BOATING PAD #14 - Why Powerboaters Hate  
>>>>>> Sailors
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ACK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NICE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We almost never race through Woods Hole Passage on the  
>>>>>> Weekends.  The
>>>>>>> powerboat traffic is just too thick and the current usually  
>>>>>>> too strong..
>>>>>>> Three Sundays ago, though, the wind was too strong to race in  
>>>>>>> the Bay or
>>>>>>> the Sound.  So, since the current in the Hole was nearly slack  
>>>>>>> at race time
>>>>>>> and the boat traffic was nearly nil, we did, only to run into  
>>>>>>> an entirely
>>>>>>> different obstacle:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2009_boating_pad/300_4199.jpg.html
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/klkd3w
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ever practical, we just raced around them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2009_boating_pad/300_4230.jpg.html
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/mycc4q
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> D300, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> C&C fervently desired.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Sonny
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