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Subject: [Leica] Looser Framing [was Re: recrop: [WAS Re: BOATING PAD #14 - Why Powerboaters Hate Sailors]]
From: sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:33:57 -0500
References: <65F08CD7-6EB6-417A-89E8-C102AF485B42@comcast.net> <E188C3A8-A11E-4A29-AB70-FDB099ECCD6C@embarqmail.com> <205549.36295.qm@web111802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6434C01A-AB0B-4597-B7AF-1AD971E79B93@comcast.net> <741512.5028.qm@web111810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <F9203C13-2239-4471-9B79-778F725CCFFB@comcast.net> <CDA95A68-4B90-4FF5-8982-CAAC43A1EDCE@frozenlight.eu> <5E31F48F-1A0C-4A1F-A023-B880164ABF9C@comcast.net>

I'm really digging these boat shots, would like to see some shots from
aboard the Stone Horse.   I think in the fall I might be able to take my
little yawlboat out for a spin if I have one of my sons home to lend a hand.

Here's a photographer who takes the "more air" idea to an interesting
extreme.  I'd love to see some big prints of his work.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/yosigo/sets/72157600069013138/





On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at 
comcast.net>wrote:

> Yeah, I like the looser framing, too.  It's less powerful but more
> informative.
>
> I have very much taken to heart the advice I've been given over the years
> (right back to Ralph Hattersley, remember him?) to move in close, to 
> isolate
> the subject, and to reduce or eliminate extraneous detail.  This does 
> create
> powerful images.  I also think that it takes some of the, oh what word to
> use, maybe "air" out of the shot.  Framing more loosely seems to give the
> subject more breathing room and the observers eye more room to wander.  As
> long as there is nothing distracting in the looser frame I think it makes
> for more interesting and informative photos.
>
> To my mind those rocks take the story of the image beyond the potential
> conflict between the big tug and the little sailboat to include the fact
> that this potential conflict is playing out in a very constricted arena 
> with
> consequences that go way beyond a small boat being run down by the large 
> tug
> (as bad as that is).
>
> I see this approach in many of your photos, Nathan, and am going to work on
> pushing mine in that direction, too.
>
> One doesn't need to deliver a sock in the jaw every time out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dick
>
>
>
> On Aug 06, 2009, at 1:26 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>
>  I prefer the original version.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nathan
>>
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>
>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>>
>>  Well, the value of judging in these contests has always been suspect to
>>> me.  It seems to lead to conformity, IMHO.  But that said, I cropped out 
>>> the
>>> rocks.  The result is here:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2009_boating_pad/300_4199_crop.jpg.html
>>> or
>>> http://tinyurl.com/l3ltkf
>>>
>>> The cropped version certainly emphasizes the anticipated crash, but to my
>>> mind loses the piece of information that they are both in a very narrow
>>> channel.
>>>
>>> It'd be interesting to hear what others think.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 05, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Philip Price wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Dick, I belong to a photographic society here, ( UK ) and we have
>>>> monthly competitions which are always keenly contested, our regular club
>>>> membership is 70 /80 members. I regularly enter prints, with it must be 
>>>> said
>>>> varying degrees of success ! Over the years I have learnt to anticipate 
>>>> what
>>>> the judge will like or not like, believe me some of them can be pretty
>>>> ferocious with their comments ! I do love the drama in your shot but I 
>>>> know
>>>> the judge in a competition would probaly comment on those rocks.
>>>>
>>>> As an amateur though I listen, and then go out and do the same thing
>>>> again, after all its for my pleasure not some judge who is definitely 
>>>> not on
>>>> my Christmas card list !!!
>>>>
>>>> Happy snapping Phil.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at comcast.net>
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 4:29:11 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BOATING PAD #14 - Why Powerboaters Hate Sailors
>>>>
>>>> Well, that's interesting.  I had thought that the rocks and distant
>>>> shore added to the drama by emphasizing the narrowness of the channel in
>>>> which all this drama was occurring.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for commenting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Dick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 05, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Philip Price wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Lots of drama, and movement in the shot, just a pity about the rocks in
>>>>> the bottom right forground.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Phil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Ric Carter <ricc at embarqmail.com>
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 6:56:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BOATING PAD #14 - Why Powerboaters Hate Sailors
>>>>>
>>>>> ACK
>>>>>
>>>>> NICE
>>>>>
>>>>> ric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  We almost never race through Woods Hole Passage on the Weekends.  The
>>>>>> powerboat traffic is just too thick and the current usually too 
>>>>>> strong..
>>>>>>  Three Sundays ago, though, the wind was too strong to race in the 
>>>>>> Bay or
>>>>>> the Sound.  So, since the current in the Hole was nearly slack at 
>>>>>> race time
>>>>>> and the boat traffic was nearly nil, we did, only to run into an 
>>>>>> entirely
>>>>>> different obstacle:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2009_boating_pad/300_4199.jpg.html
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/klkd3w
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever practical, we just raced around them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2009_boating_pad/300_4230.jpg.html
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/mycc4q
>>>>>>
>>>>>> D300, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C&C fervently desired.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Sonny
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