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Subject: [Leica] Looser Framing [was Re: recrop: [WAS Re: BOATING PAD #14 - Why Powerboaters Hate Sailors]]
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:41:03 -0700
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On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Richard Taylor wrote:

> Yeah, I like the looser framing, too.  It's less powerful but more  
> informative.
>
> I have very much taken to heart the advice I've been given over the  
> years (right back to Ralph Hattersley, remember him?) to move in  
> close, to isolate the subject, and to reduce or eliminate extraneous  
> detail.  This does create powerful images.  I also think that it  
> takes some of the, oh what word to use, maybe "air" out of the  
> shot.  Framing more loosely seems to give the subject more breathing  
> room and the observers eye more room to wander.  As long as there is  
> nothing distracting in the looser frame I think it makes for more  
> interesting and informative photos.
>
> To my mind those rocks take the story of the image beyond the  
> potential conflict between the big tug and the little sailboat to  
> include the fact that this potential conflict is playing out in a  
> very constricted arena with consequences that go way beyond a small  
> boat being run down by the large tug (as bad as that is).
>
> I see this approach in many of your photos, Nathan, and am going to  
> work on pushing mine in that direction, too.
>
> One doesn't need to deliver a sock in the jaw every time out.


I agree Dick... the broader look with context I feel gives needed  
information, and the cropped look to me doesn't clearly suggest  
pending impact...


Steve


>
> Regards,
>
> Dick
>
>
>
> On Aug 06, 2009, at 1:26 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>
>> I prefer the original version.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nathan
>>
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>>
>>> Well, the value of judging in these contests has always been  
>>> suspect to me.  It seems to lead to conformity, IMHO.  But that  
>>> said, I cropped out the rocks.  The result is here:
>>>
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2009_boating_pad/300_4199_crop.jpg.html
>>> or
>>> http://tinyurl.com/l3ltkf
>>>
>>> The cropped version certainly emphasizes the anticipated crash,  
>>> but to my mind loses the piece of information that they are both  
>>> in a very narrow channel.
>>>
>>> It'd be interesting to hear what others think.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 05, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Philip Price wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Dick, I belong to a photographic society here, ( UK ) and we  
>>>> have monthly competitions which are always keenly contested, our  
>>>> regular club membership is 70 /80 members. I regularly enter  
>>>> prints, with it must be said varying degrees of success ! Over  
>>>> the years I have learnt to anticipate what the judge will like or  
>>>> not like, believe me some of them can be pretty ferocious with  
>>>> their comments ! I do love the drama in your shot but I know the  
>>>> judge in a competition would probaly comment on those rocks.
>>>>
>>>> As an amateur though I listen, and then go out and do the same  
>>>> thing again, after all its for my pleasure not some judge who is  
>>>> definitely not on my Christmas card list !!!
>>>>
>>>> Happy snapping Phil.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at comcast.net>
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 4:29:11 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BOATING PAD #14 - Why Powerboaters Hate  
>>>> Sailors
>>>>
>>>> Well, that's interesting.  I had thought that the rocks and  
>>>> distant shore added to the drama by emphasizing the narrowness of  
>>>> the channel in which all this drama was occurring.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for commenting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Dick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 05, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Philip Price wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lots of drama, and movement in the shot, just a pity about the  
>>>>> rocks in the bottom right forground.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Phil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Ric Carter <ricc at embarqmail.com>
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 6:56:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BOATING PAD #14 - Why Powerboaters Hate  
>>>>> Sailors
>>>>>
>>>>> ACK
>>>>>
>>>>> NICE
>>>>>
>>>>> ric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We almost never race through Woods Hole Passage on the  
>>>>>> Weekends.  The powerboat traffic is just too thick and the  
>>>>>> current usually too strong..  Three Sundays ago, though, the  
>>>>>> wind was too strong to race in the Bay or the Sound.  So, since  
>>>>>> the current in the Hole was nearly slack at race time and the  
>>>>>> boat traffic was nearly nil, we did, only to run into an  
>>>>>> entirely different obstacle:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2009_boating_pad/300_4199.jpg.html
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/klkd3w
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever practical, we just raced around them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2009_boating_pad/300_4230.jpg.html
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/mycc4q
>>>>>>
>>>>>> D300, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C&C fervently desired.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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best,

Steve

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