Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/05/22

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Subject: [Leica] a quick hello
From: imagist3 at (George Lottermoser)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:29:38 -0500
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I should add that the 5D was my full time camera for a year and a half
(and the 10D and 20D before that)
up until purchasing the M8 and DMR
(20D has been sold and the 5D sits unused).

While it would be swell if the M8 and DMR had full frame sensors;
the notion of "full frame" for its own sake quickly disintegrates
as form factor, ergonomics and quality of image data simply surpass  
the 5D.

And I totally agree
with Ming that the Leica RF cameras
provide the most inconspicuous, professional level optical tool  
with Mark that any camera can get the job done and will
sooner or later disappear into the shooting environment as,
in most cases, people have a pretty short attention span.

People have used medium and even large format 8x10 for candid street  

Bottom line: What do YOU like?
For quite a number of us the answer is M whether film or digital -  
full frame or not.

I do not understand - if someone loved shooting M's
and now doesn't because they need digital
and the digital M is not full frame;
as lenses are available to achieve the angle of view required
(down to 12mm = 16mm).
(I totally DO understand the economic considerations)

George Lottermoser
george at

On May 22, 2009, at 11:03 AM, George Lottermoser wrote:

> Likewise.
> 80 - 90% Leica M
> 10 - 20% Leica DMR for macro or long lens
> 1% Full Frame Canon 5D for thoughtless auto snap stuff
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george at
> On May 22, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Tina Manley wrote:
>> At 05:29 AM 5/22/2009, you wrote:
>>> Or if what was exchanged was a Canon full frame for an M8 or any
>>> other camera.
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>> That would be me, Mark.  My Canon 5D and 1DMII are gathering dust  
>> since I got my M8s.  I much prefer working with a rangefinder.   
>> DSLRs are big, heavy, and very noticeable.  My Canon lenses, even  
>> the expensive L ones, suffer from Chromatic Aberrations and  
>> fringing.  I don't have those problems with my Leica lenses.  I  
>> can certainly see exchanging a full frame DSLR for an M8 if you're  
>> trying to be a fly on the wall and photograph without being noticed.
>> Just my opinion.
>> Tina
>> Tina Manley
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In reply to: Message from mingthein at (Thein Onn Ming) ([Leica] a quick hello)
Message from mark at (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] a quick hello)
Message from images at (Tina Manley) ([Leica] a quick hello)
Message from imagist3 at (George Lottermoser) ([Leica] a quick hello)