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Subject: [Leica] IMGS: Children of the World
From: nod at bouncing.org (Philip Clarke)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:08:11 +0100
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I personally find it more offensive that you would dismiss a serious
point with such a fatuous facetious remark. I find it more offensive
that you would condone the dismissal of other nations as being backwards
and perpetuate the myths that other countries are only to be thought of
as charities, to your children. So tell me about manners then, tell me
when questioning the appropriateness of a subject matter for children is
impolite, yet to reduce the children and their mother countries to
objects of pity is not ? (That's a rhetorical question because I am
being impolite when I suggest that you don't have the intellectual
capacity to issue an intelligent rebuttal).

photo.forrest at earthlink.net wrote:
> How about some manners, sir?
> Phil Forrest
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> From:  Philip Clarke <nod at bouncing.org>
> Subj:  Re: [Leica] IMGS:  Children of the World
> Date:  Thu 16 Apr 2009 6:31 am
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> Tina Manley wrote:
>   
>> At 10:29 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> In the interests of balance, I expect to see poor USA street kids or
>>> some in a police cell or juvenile detention facility. Maybe you could
>>> tie in the global recession/ credit crunch theme in and have some
>>> American children in vests, after their parents lost their homes and
>>> their shirts. Mexican children being escorted back over the border.
>>> Venezuela and Cuba also appear to be missing as well as the UK. I'd lend
>>> you my children but their mother worked her way out of the Calcutta
>>> slums without charity and their disabled father gets no benefits or
>>> social support, so they're probably not suitable candidates.
>>>       
>> What in the world does all of that mean?  I photographed most of these
>> children while working on mission projects in developing countries. 
>> I've also worked on mission projects here in the USA and have photos
>> of those, too, which I will include.  For these particular talks, I'm
>> telling school children about how children all over the world have
>> more in common than outward appearances would lead you to believe.  I
>> tell about the families I've stayed with and the people I've met in 53
>> countries.  I really don't understand what you're objecting to.
>>
>> Tina
>>
>>     
> The perpetuation of the myth that only the USA (or indeed any "first or
> second" world country) should bring it's charity to the rest of the
> world. The USA should sort out it's own problems first, so for balance I
> expect to see identical photos taken in the West so that the children
> you're showing the pictures too, identify with the homeless people down
> the road as well as in a different country. India has a space program,
> China too (plus the greatest manufacturing ability in the world and
> they're commies), Taiwan has the greatest ability to manufacturer CNC'd
> and Kevlar based items, so instead of seeing a countries strengths the
> pictures highlight the unfortunate,. So if the unfortunate is to be
> relished in for the amusement of children, then the unfortunate side of
> the USA should be given exactly the same position.
>
> The only reason that these pictures are considered "special" is because
> they aren't taken at home so they don't encourage an ability to identify
> on an equal footing, they put down other nation's triumphs, and what is
> worse is that there going to be shown to the next generation.
>
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