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Subject: [Leica] NEW STUFF : SIGN OF THE TMES. COLOUR OR b&w
From: grduprey at mchsi.com (grduprey at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:08:15 +0000
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Chris,


I'm not sure why you consider the US opinion of the homeless as being 
ignorant. ?It is certainly the last thing I think of and the same goes for 
most people I know. ? I also do not see it as a mental health issue, but 
more of a economic issue. ?Also, please remember Canadians are also 
Americans, as are Mexicans etc., true the norm is to use this label as being 
only those of us in the US, which is in my opinion more of US ignorance from 
many years of mis-use of the term. ?We must remember there are many 
unfortunate circumstances for people being homeless, and you cannot put a 
label on them or the photographer based on where they are or where they come 
from.


I apologize if this comes across as a flame, it is not intended to be such.


Cheers,
Gene

 -------------- Original message from Chris Saganich <chs2018 at 
med.cornell.edu>: --------------


> My first reaction was disappointment that Ted shot such an image.  My 
> American capitalistic indoctrination making the assumption Ted was hanging 
> a sign of ignorant on the homeless.  Then I thought, na he's Canadian,  so 
> I reinterpreted the image from a more socialist perspective suggesting 
> homelessness is the end result when education isn't supported by 
> society.  Then I thought most homelessness has nothing to do with 
> education, rather a mental health issue, or in the U.S. a problem of 
> unhealthy perspective.  In Canada the homeless are healthier so it is just 
> that they have a radical perspective rather then an unhealthy one.
> 
> 
> At 03:31 PM 4/7/2009, you wrote:
> >I really haven't been following this thread, though I was surprised to see
> >it as an issue from your camera.
> >
> >My code on things like this is to not shoot them. It is low hanging fruit
> >and easy to steer a viewer's mind to a conclusion that may be in error.  
> >We
> >don't know if the pair featured are ignorant or educated, so it is kind of
> >like pinning a sign to their backs.
> >
> >In the large version, the guy in the chair could very well be Ric Carter,
> >and the guy on the ground Kyle Cassidy (who we all know uses a grocery 
> >cart
> >as a gadget bag, since he carries all kinds of crap with him on a shoot.)
> >
> >The sign gets in the way and  too bad, because it could have been a pretty
> >good picture.
> >
> >Sonny
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Ted Grant  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Steve,
> > >
> > > I'm sure the wording on the building to the right is the most important
> > > these days tied into the two fellows in the middle as a story telling
> > > picture. And that's what caught the eye in the story telling point.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That of course may not be what others see, but that's lfe in the fast 
> > > lane
> > > of photojournalism. And photo editors. :-) Lifes always been like 
> > > that. :-)
> >
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In reply to: Message from kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] NEW STUFF : SIGN OF THE TMES. COLOUR OR b&w)
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