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Subject: [Leica] IMG's plus advice needed - Guy, girl, bokeh
From: jhnichols at (Jim Nichols)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:41:26 -0500
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It ain't bokeh.  As a hair-deprived old guy, I can attest to the fact that 
we get fewer second looks in real life than you are getting on your "guy" 
post.  Just forget us and give us more girl shots. ;-)

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bob palmieri" <rpalmier at>
To: <lug at>
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:59 PM
Subject: [Leica] IMG's plus advice needed - Guy, girl, bokeh

> Folks -
> After looking at George Lottermoser's wildlife shot on his blog I  figured 
> I'd post a couple of Humans from last week.  In contrast to  the birds, I 
> don't feel like color is particularly necessary for  determining gender:
> Guy -
> Girl -
> (Feel free to deliver comments, admonishments or jocular banter as 
> needed.)
> Both shot with my  daily M6 - 50 'Lux - Tmax 400 in Xtol rig.  Used  to be 
> pretty happy with this setup, but there seems to be an issue  that I can 
> no longer ignore.
> I threw these up a few days ago and noticed that the "Girl" shot gets 
> twice as many views as the "Guy" shot.  Must be the 50 (late  spherical) 
> 'lux's Lemon Bokeh, which is all over the "Guy" shot.
> First of all, I'd like to know what causes this.  Is it a comatic  effect, 
> an image of the aperture off-axis or something else?  I guess  it doesn't 
> really matter too much, 'cuz it's clearly Here to Stay  with this lens 
> design.
> I hesitate to bring up a topic such as this, but I'm really  interested in 
> hearing some opinions on Fast Fiftys for M's.
> I basically like almost everything about my late-spherical 50  version. 
> These aspects include close focussing to 0.7m, terrific  ergonomics on the 
> very-lightly-damped rings (with the fast-racking  helical on the focus 
> ring I can beat most autofocus setups in dim  light.)  I wanna know if 
> there's a 1.4 (or 1.5) 50 that can keep up  with most of these qualities 
> (as well as high contrast and low flare  wide open plus acceptable focus 
> shift ).
> The Nocti's are out due to weight and cost.  The versions of the  Leica 
> aspherical I've tried had much stiffer focussing (and I  probably can't 
> afford one of those either.)  So I guess it's all  about Zeiss (new or 
> old), Voigtlander and Canon or Nikon LTM's.
> But if I can't find something else I may well become a member of the 
> Bokeh-After-the Fact club.
> Bob Palmieri
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