[Leica] Even more Adelaide photos from Brian's visit

[benedenia at gmail.com (Marty Deveney)]

Very good - but it doesn't count if you make your own irony or weirdness ;-)

M

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Jim Shulman <jshul at comcast.net> wrote:

> Not just America:
> I also seemed to have good luck in China, Marty
>
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/focusit/the+great+shmuck+of+china.JPG.html
>
> Of course, I paid a fellow several yuan to push the shutter button on my
> M3.
>
> Jim Shulman
> Wynnewood, PA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshul <lug-bounces%2Bjshul>=comcast.net@
> leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Marty
> Deveney
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:22 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Even more Adelaide photos from Brian's visit
>
> Ken's post is on-list, it's here:
> http://www.leica-users.org/v38/msg16385.html.  I don't quite have the hang
> of GMail yet but I can tell the difference between a post and an off-list
> message - that's one thing the interface gets right.
>
> Steve asks a very on-topic question about the kind of photography people do
> with their Leicas and Leica-like cameras.
>
> To me, Jim's photos are characterised by irony (in the true sense - where
> the literal and the actual implied meanings of the photographs are opposite
> or fundamentally incongruent) and poking fun at western society.  Anywhere
> where society is fundamentally different (as it is almost everywhere else
> in
> the world) a person doesn't have a sufficient context to poke the same kind
> of fun.  You can see this in my photos of Russia:
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Russia/ and Japan:
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Japan/ which (to me) say more
> "this is really forgeign and that amkes it different" rather than "look at
> this weirdness".
>
> The side of life that many of Jim's photos point out as humorous are
> dependant on wealth and a relative lack of self-consciousness.  The
> following examples are from my experience and might vary depending on where
> you go in a given place.  In Japan, for instance, people maintain a very
> careful public image most of the time, making these kinds of shots
> impossible.  In a lot of parts of Scandinavia, almost everyone is very fit
> and attractive, removing one of Jim's obvious sources of humour.
>
> But more than anything, walker Evans' old nemesis, prosperity, removes a
> lot
> of the good-natured aspects of public life.  People become more
> self-conscious, change how they act and look and take on a more serious
> general demeanour.  This interferes with the kinds of scenes Jim captures.
> Adelaide is the least economically developed Australian mainland city of
> its
> size and in many ways its residents are very natural and lack
> self-consciousness.  A lot of obviously incongruous things happen.  I doubt
> Jim would do very well in the middle of Sydney or Melbourne.
>
> Analysis is always personal; anyone who posts a themed body of work to the
> LuG gets a lot of attention and analysis from me.  I don't always post
> about
> it, but I am always looking and thinking.
>
> Marty
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Steve Barbour <kididdoc at cox.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mar 22, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
> >
> > Seems like Marty accidentally replied to the list about an off list joke
> >> from Ken. Then Steve replied thinking also he was off-list! Whoops!
> >> Check the headers. You guys are in soo much trouble!
> >>
> >
> > hey, let's get back on track...
> >
> > regrets...
> >
> > mille fois...
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Steve Barbour <kididdoc at cox.net>
> >> Date: 2009/3/23
> >> Subject: [Leica] Even more Adelaide photos from Brian's visit
> >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 22, 2009, at 4:37 AM, Marty Deveney wrote:
> >>
> >> No, but we're trying to get him to visit.  There's plenty of fruitful
> >> areas
> >> around here for Jim's style of observation.
> >>
> >> a very interesting comment Marty, it really got me thinking.
> >>
> >> Is there a place in the world not fruitful for Jim's style of
> observation?
> >> Then I  realized that it varies a lot...with some places much less
> >> fruitful...even in the civilized world.
> >>
> >> we don't have to get into that right now...
> >>
> >> but my very simplistic impression is that  the very unfruitful areas may
> >> be limited to third world parts of the globe...
> >>
> >> I wonder if that is seen by veteran travelers as an oversimplification,
> >> somehow  unfair,
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Marty
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> My God that's an ugly dog :).  Has Jim Shulman been to Adelaide?
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >>
> >
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