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Subject: [Leica] Now I know why the filters are needed on the M8 :-)
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Wed Dec 17 11:55:29 2008
References: <796o8r$2kdrvs@pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca> <5A0EB616-D5ED-4302-BBA7-E45D933D69E1@frozenlight.eu> <9E4BC619-7D0C-4EF7-8450-B7B5F984D53C@cox.net> <711C690B-4F28-4C8A-BF54-AEE99393CF57@frozenlight.eu>

On Dec 17, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> Well, as a doctor, I am sure you will tell me that my problem is  
> related to CH3CH2OH :-)


I doubt it...
>
>
> But I have on my computer ISO 1250 images from M8s sent to me by  
> Hoppy and others, and they certainly have nice, clean colors.


Well actually I was thinking more on the order of a simple controlled  
experiment/comparison...

As you know well, there are thousands of M8 images with nice clean  
colors ,  no filters used...

I have taken thousands, almost never used a filter...and I have never  
wished that I had used a filter...because of a ruined photo.


(And I own a set...)


For sure there are some people that insist on them, and some who  
don't...


yes really, there must be some controlled comparisons, and some  
conditions where they help a lot, but actually it seems few and far  
between...



Steve

>
>
> Cheers,
> Nathan
>
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
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>
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>
>
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>>
>>> Well Ted, I'm sure that's part of it, given that I had to trash  
>>> about half of the images due to missed focus or subject movement  
>>> or camera movement. I am lucky to live within walking distance of  
>>> that particular bar, so I could indulge freely.
>>>
>>> But on a serious note, this does convince me that the filters are  
>>> really needed.
>>
>> you are rather easily convinced Nathan,   first see if the filters  
>> fix "the problem"
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> And of course, this is a bit of a case of "if you can see it, you  
>>> can photograph it". A typical exposure was 1/15 or 1/30 sec. at  
>>> f1.4, ISO 1250. So we are not exactly talking about an abundance  
>>> of light, which I suspect also contributed to the problem.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>> Alicante, Spain
>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>
>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
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>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2008, at 6:31 PM, Ted Grant wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nathan because you are such a fine photographer and for being  
>>>> that, there
>>>> isn't any question in my mind. Certainly having been involved  
>>>> with literally
>>>> hundreds of photographers during more "party moments" than I can  
>>>> remember,
>>>> yes of course because of some, "we might say, Over indulgence! ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There can only be one answer to your question, its always the  
>>>> same no matter
>>>> when or where.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) I was too drunk?  <<<<<<<
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep that's it right there! :-)    But you'll get over it! :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ted
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca@leica-users.org
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca@leica-users.org] On Behalf  
>>>> Of Nathan
>>>> Wajsman
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:15 AM
>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>> Subject: [Leica] Now I know why the filters are needed on the  
>>>> M8 :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Last night we had the annual Christmas Quiz in a local bar,  
>>>> arranged
>>>>
>>>> for the 10th year in a row by two English guys at work. For me,  
>>>> this
>>>>
>>>> was the second time around, and disappointingly our team came in
>>>>
>>>> either last or next-to-last.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I took about 80 pics with my M8 and the 50mm Summilux that
>>>>
>>>> arrived the day before. My UV/IR filters are not here yet, so I  
>>>> got a
>>>>
>>>> good flavour of why they were needed. Of course, the light in the  
>>>> bar
>>>>
>>>> was horrible and dim, and so black came out as not black.  A  
>>>> couple of
>>>>
>>>> the pictures of a woman at my table leads me to ask the  
>>>> following: if
>>>>
>>>> her allegedly black hair has a purple tint, should I conclude that:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1) She was wearing a polyester wig?
>>>>
>>>> 2) She had coloured her hair and so the M8 was reacting to the
>>>>
>>>> chemicals she used?
>>>>
>>>> 3) I was too drunk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>>
>>>> Nathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>
>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>
>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>
>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Replies: Reply from hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] Now I know why the filters are needed on the M8 :-))
In reply to: Message from tedgrant at shaw.ca (Ted Grant) ([Leica] Now I know why the filters are needed on the M8 :-))
Message from photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] Now I know why the filters are needed on the M8 :-))
Message from kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] Now I know why the filters are needed on the M8 :-))
Message from photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] Now I know why the filters are needed on the M8 :-))