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Subject: [Leica] Bad news at Leica - FF or crop survey
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Sun Dec 7 09:42:41 2008
References: <C560F4F7.460A3%mark@rabinergroup.com> <6910A756-341B-4D31-88B8-312E7C70875F@frozenlight.eu>

On Dec 7, 2008, at 3:49 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:

> I went from film to Canon 1.6 sensor to Canon 1.3 sensor to Olympus  
> 4/3. Not hung up on sensor size at all, the results are what count.
>
> This whole sensor size discussion -- is it any different from the  
> discussion about film size decades ago, when the 4x5 shooters  
> sneered at MF and later the MF folk sneered at 35mm?

I entirely agree Nathan, especially if you change lenses, you get the  
same results as before...

"and if you didn't know...you wouldn't know..."

it's a bit like being hung up over the ideal font size,


Steve






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> On Dec 7, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>
>> This is a Leica list. Some think "the" Leica list.
>> On this list how many of use are shooting with DSLR's?
>> Most of us. The majority of us by far though quite a few of us of  
>> course are
>> getting good use out of our M8's.
>>
>> Of the vast majority of us who are getting most of our shots with  
>> DSLR's how
>> many of use are FF's and how many of us are croppers?
>>
>> I think must of us on this list are FFers.
>> I'd love a survey.
>> or if many of us "weighed in".
>>
>> I unfortunately and not for long am shooting at 1.5 crop  as I have  
>> been for
>> years first with a Nikon D100 when it first hit now D200 and D40x -
>> But not for long.
>> I got my eye on January 17th for my upgrade date.
>> I like the idea of a 50mm being my "normal" focal length again.
>>
>>
>>
>> mark@rabinergroup.com
>> Mark William Rabiner
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:18:35 -0500
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Conversation: [Leica] Bad news at Leica
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Bad news at Leica
>>>
>>> Right now APS-2 and similar 1.5 or close to it crop systems are  
>>> starting to
>>> be be referred to as "small sensor cameras". This will be the  
>>> preferred
>>> terminology in a week or so.
>>>
>>> In six months you will be hard pressed do find ANYONE
>>> Doing anything resembling serious work with "small sensor cameras".
>>>
>>> LEICA and SERIOUS WORK is/are synonymous or should be.
>>>
>>>
>>> There will be a GAP where there shouldn't be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mark@rabinergroup.com
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Bob W <leica@web-options.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 01:35:45 -0000
>>>> To: 'Leica Users Group' <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: RE: [Leica] Bad news at Leica
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How can we convince them that the M system is ok without AF?
>>>>>
>>>>> What the M system needs is FF not AF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Give me FF or give me Death!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think AF, FF or Death! are particularly desirable. What I  
>>>> would
>>>> prefer is a sensor without the problems,  and a return to the  
>>>> size of the
>>>> early M models (M3 etc). So called FF is largely irrelevant given  
>>>> the
>>>> resolution of the current sensor, and the availability of  
>>>> reasonably wide
>>>> lenses.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
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Replies: Reply from imagist3 at mac.com (Lottermoser George) ([Leica] Bad news at Leica - FF or crop survey)
In reply to: Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Bad news at Leica - FF or crop survey)
Message from photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] Bad news at Leica - FF or crop survey)