[Leica] IMG: Fall Colors at Pt. Lobos

[rgacpa at yahoo.com (Bob Adler)]

Jim Brick uses his there at all times...
I'll be buying one in the near future. Fabulous tool; everything you ever 
wanted in a 6x6 plus Zeis glass!!
?Bob Adler
Palo Alto, CA
rgacpa@yahoo.com
http://www.raflexions.com 




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From: slobodan dimitrov <s.dimitrov@charter.net>
To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Fall Colors at Pt. Lobos

I did a check on the net about that Weston user.
It was Bret who used an SL66.
But, I don't know, it sure looks like Geoff threw the gauntlet down? 
for a Point Lobos shoot out:-)
(I'll use any excuse to get out of town)
s.d.

On Nov 12, 2008, at 4:05 PM, leo wesson wrote:

> Slobodan,
>
> you might be right.? I ran into jerry ulesman shooting there with? 
> his rollei
> in the late 70's.
>
> leo
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:24 PM, slobodan dimitrov
> <s.dimitrov@charter.net>wrote:
>
>> I always felt that Point Lobos was bets captured with a Rollei SL66.
>> Big negs, with a tilting lens board, it doesn't get any better? 
>> than that.
>> s.d.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 12, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Bob Adler wrote:
>>
>>? Frank,
>>> The TS-E 24mm f3.5L lens rotates, so when I have the camera in? 
>>> portrait
>>> orientation, I rotate the lens so that the tilt is in the? 
>>> verticle plane and
>>> the shift is horizontal. The lens rotates in 45deg increments so,? 
>>> from what
>>> you are suggesting, I should have rotated it 45deg off the? 
>>> verticle to the
>>> right (as I view the scene)(clockwise from my position behind the? 
>>> camera).
>>> I believe the minimum aperture is f22, but I don't have the lens? 
>>> in front
>>> of me.
>>> So I think I have it now; the image is soft: should have rotated? 
>>> the tilt
>>> slightly clockwise and used the maximum DOF. Good to know!
>>> Thanks very much for the help, Frank,
>>> Bob
>>>? Bob Adler
>>> Palo Alto, CA
>>> rgacpa@yahoo.com
>>> http://www.raflexions.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Frank Filippone <red735i@earthlink.net>
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:02:57 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [Leica] IMG: Fall Colors at Pt. Lobos
>>>
>>> Tilt and shift might work, but you need your planes in the right
>>> orientation
>>> to each other and to the camera? In this case, you have a slightly
>>> diagonal
>>> plane of interest? and a background that is pretty much at? 
>>> infinity, all
>>> over.? Compensating with only tilt ( swing in the orientation we? 
>>> see) is
>>> not
>>> enough to capture even the foreground in a focus plane, relative? 
>>> to the
>>> camera sensor plane.? And it confuses the eye/brain to see? 
>>> weirdly.? Front
>>> to back focus areas work.? Left to right looks weird... it is our
>>> optical-brain connection that is trained one way and not the other.
>>>
>>> I think this might have worked just fine of you had used a landscape
>>> orientation.? That would have given you just tilt from the lens,? 
>>> and the
>>> "unfocus" plane would have been about equal for the infinite? 
>>> background.
>>> Then the background would have been in the same amount of? 
>>> "unfocus" and
>>> would have looked fine.? It is the right to left stuff that? 
>>> causes optical
>>> confusion.
>>>
>>> Of course, the F64 group would have said you did not provide? 
>>> enough DOF
>>> from
>>> your lens....
>>>
>>> BTW, what is the minimum F stop with the Canon PC lens you used?? 
>>> F32?
>>>
>>> Frank Filippone
>>> red735i@earthlink.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: lug-bounces+red735i=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i <lug-bounces%2Bred735i>=earthlink.net@
>>> leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Bob
>>> Adler
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:18 AM
>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Fall Colors at Pt. Lobos
>>>
>>> Hi George and Frank,
>>>
>>> Number 1 was photographed with a Tilt/Shift lens. I think the? 
>>> problem is
>>> that the foreground and background are in focus because they are? 
>>> in the
>>> plane of focus produced by the tilt. The mid-ground area was down? 
>>> a cliff;
>>> a
>>> drop of 20 - 30 feet. As this would put it out of the plane of focus
>>> created
>>> by the tilt, the only way to try to get it in focus is through? 
>>> reducing
>>> the
>>> aperture. I believe I should have shot at a smaller aperture than? 
>>> f8, and
>>> that may be the cause of the slop you see.
>>> I think this would explain it as the right side was futher below? 
>>> me than
>>> the
>>> left and, as Frank noted, the right side seems more out of focus.? 
>>> I think
>>> the shift was centered.
>>> Does this make sense to you?
>>>
>>> Thanks for pointing this out. I'll just have to go back! :-)
>>>
>>> George, as for the darkness in the the other shots, it's not? 
>>> caused by any
>>> adjustments by me. Pt. Lobos has a huge dynamic range. I could? 
>>> never get
>>> anything when I shot Velvia nor negative color. Even using N-2? 
>>> with BW
>>> film
>>> couldn't get it all. I had a .6ND Grad filter (I'm going to be? 
>>> buying a .9
>>> now) and even with all that an the increased capture dynamic? 
>>> range of
>>> digital, I couldn't get it.
>>>
>>> So thanks for the input very much. Numbers 4 and the last image? 
>>> will be
>>> put
>>> on my main gallery!
>>> Best,
>>> Bob
>>>? Bob Adler
>>> Palo Alto, CA
>>> rgacpa@yahoo.com
>>> http://www.raflexions.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Frank Filippone <red735i@earthlink.net>
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:45:08 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [Leica] IMG: Fall Colors at Pt. Lobos
>>>
>>> Bob... were you using your perspective controlled lens for the? 
>>> first shot?
>>> Does the lens offer swings and tilts?? Or Tilt only?? ( relative? 
>>> to a
>>> landscape image configuration.)
>>>
>>> Mid range focus on the right worse than midrange on the left.....
>>>? indicates
>>> maybe your lens was not "centered" and set for some amount of? 
>>> tilt....
>>> which
>>> in this composition means swing... and therefore the focus planes? 
>>> are not
>>> where we expect them.....? Although it certainly works for the
>>> foreground.....
>>>
>>> Is this just a case of focus distortion caused by the foreground? 
>>> focus
>>> being
>>> right ( which it is) , and the background wrong for the? 
>>> foreground focus
>>> planes.....?
>>>
>>> Sometimes swings and tilts make the focus just look weird....
>>>
>>> Certainly a colorful shot.... nicely composed.
>>>
>>> Frank Filippone
>>> red735i@earthlink.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> the first - the mid frame lack of focus puzzles me
>>>
>>>
>>> Fond regards,
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>? http://raflexions.com/11-11-2008/
>>>>
>>>
>>>? Bob Adler
>>>> Palo Alto, CA
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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