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Subject: [Leica] Scanner Progress...... Back-up and NAS
From: scheng at aotera.org (Spencer Cheng)
Date: Sat Oct 18 14:14:22 2008
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Hi Tina,

Since I brought it up, let me try. I am sure someone will correct me  
if I am wrong. :))

Firstly, I classify external storage in 2 different ways. The most  
common one is a USB/Firewire/eSATA external disk drive or disk  
enclosure. This is a disk (enclosure) you connect to your computer  
directly probably using a USB cable or Firewire cable (and  
occasionally a eSATA cable). You probably have 20 of these. The  
multiple disks in a box version is something like Drobo which can be  
configured to handle single disk failures (RAID-5,...). The other less  
common class is network-based storage.

If you only have 1 (one) computer that you use to access all the data  
on these external disks at a time, you don't need a more complicated  
setup. The main problem is a proliferation of these little boxes as  
you buy another one when you run out of space. I have 7 external  
drives on my desk at home. Some are pretty small disks (30GB @ 4200  
RPM anyone? :)

Drobo (and other boxes like it) allows you to put multiple disks in  
the same box to save some desk space and add redundancy at a price of  
consuming some of the disk space (with RAID-5 - 1/N space is used for  
redundancy where N is the number of disks in the box).

Now if you have multiple computers in the house that would like to use  
these external storage, you could play disk-rearrangement-gopher or  
you could get what techies call a NAS. It just a acronym for disk  
storage is usable via your (home) network. Apple's TimeMachine is  
probably the most common example that people are aware of. Network is  
the keyword. If you can't access it over your home Ethernet or Wifi  
network, it's not a NAS (Network Addressable Storage). On Windows, you  
would see it as a SMB network drive.

Drobo is a box that holds up to 4 disks sold by Data Robotics which is  
not accessible via your network. You have to plug it directly into  
your computer via USB or Firewire to get access to the data. There are  
many other examples.

To turn Drobo into a NAS (so you can access it over your home network  
from multiple computers), requires that you buy one of these  
DroboShare boxes <http://www.drobo.com/Products/droboshare.html> which  
connects the Drobo to your network.

There are many other disk enclosures which are NAS right out of the  
box like this one <http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=509> which holds  
2 disk and is network accessible out-of-the-box.

What should you use?
--------------------

* If you have only one computer that needs to access these disks and  
just a few external disks, just use the external drive you have today  
via USB or Firewire.

* If you have one computer and are suffering from way too many  
external disks to keep track of AND/OR want some protection again disk  
failure, you can buy a Drobo (or similar) box to consolidate all your  
data and get some protection against (single) disk failures by using  
RAID-1 or RAID-5. [Note I said *some* protection! Your house can still  
catch fire and fry all your data].

* If you have multiple computers that needs simultaneous access to the  
data on the disks, that is when you should buy a NAS (eg. Drobo +  
DroboShare or the Dlink box I referenced or any other NAS box).

 From speed perspective, in order of increasing performance of the  
interfaces - USB2, FW400, FW800|Gbit Ethernet, eSATA. eSATA is by far  
the fastest (if your disk can keep up) at about 6X the speed of USB2  
or 3 gigabits per second compared to about 400-500 megabits per second  
for USB2 and Firewire 400.

If I have confused things further, apologies in advance.

Regards,
Spencer

On Oct 16, 2008, at 10:45, Tina Manley wrote:
>
> Could somebody explain Drobo to me.  A "Drobo for Dummies" guide  
> would be good ;-)  I've googled but everything seems to assume that  
> you already know what Drobo is and why it is different from JBOD  
> (just a bunch of disks).  I thought NAS was only for a network.  Do  
> I need a network?  I have about 20 external hard drives - only about  
> 5 hooked up at a time.
>
> Very confused!!


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