[Leica] Paris, again...

[kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)]

On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Ted Grant wrote:

> Steve Barbour showed and asked:
>
> Subject: [LRflex] Re: Paris, again...
>
> On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Ted Grant wrote:
>
>> STEVE SAID:
>
>> I wanted to capture the vertical lines of the bridge, the pont des
> arts...leading the eye up river, toward the man and the woman, toward
> Paris...(and also the sky was so drab)<<<
>
>> Sorry mate absolutely no excuse. period!<<<<<<<
>
> Ted offered bluntly:
>
>> Straighten it up, as you are a far better photographer than the  
>> presented
> "tilted" image. And I don't give a flying hoop what others may say.  
> It's
> either absolutely right or it isn't! And in this case it isn't  
> absolutely
> right! Fix it!
>
> Steve asked:
>
>>> just maybe we're talking about two different things Ted,
>
> in any case I'm just not, I am not following you my friend...fix what
> please? <<<
>
> Good morning Steve,
>
> First things first: The view, the moment, the angle are right on the  
> button.
> It doesn't get much better than it is! Your logic for taking the  
> picture
> isn't what I'm trying to point out because that part is as good as  
> it gets.
> And your reason for making the shot is right on the mark;
>
>>> I wanted to capture the vertical lines of the bridge, the pont des
> arts...leading the eye up river, toward the man and the woman, toward
> Paris...(and also the sky was so drab)<<<
>
> Ted returned with:
>
>>> Sorry mate absolutely no excuse. period!<<
>
> Now I see why the confusion, sorry, bad writing explanation on my  
> part. :-(
> Sometimes much easier face to face and quicker than writing.
>
> As you pointed out, the sky was drab so I understand your slight  
> tilt down
> to cut some of the sky in the viewfinder creating the distortion in  
> the
> buildings right and left sides of the frame. This has nothing to do  
> with the
> immediate content of man-woman nor moment and positive logic for  
> shooting
> the photo.
>
> It's simply "technical camera handling" and fixing it in the darkroom.
>
> This can be corrected by slightly tilting the paper easel upward or on
> screen software to square the buildings to vertically correct lines  
> before
> printing. In this case it's so slight it's easily straightened without
> losing the feel of the moment in the photograph. Or missing it when  
> editing.
>
> The other option in this case with the drab sky . "Keep the camera
> absolutely straight, crop the sky later when making a print or  
> onscreen
> image.
>
> I may sound like an old grouch about what some see as a "nothing  
> hardly
> noticeable vertical line" in holding the camera straight. But trust  
> me I
> learned little things like this from some of most hard assed photo  
> editors
> you could ever shoot for and they made me become a better  
> photographer, as
> it's the simple things that can slip by when editing our own work.
>
> And certainly none of you have ever had Sandy Carter as a photo  
> editor!!!
> Because she can almost bring you to tears when she makes a point  
> about the
> tiny things I did wrong. Or I missed by not scanning the internal  
> viewfinder
> edges for little things sticking into the frame. OR.. Not holding  
> the camera
> straight. She's awesome when I've made some simple error, savage  
> sometimes.
> On occasion with a smile, but the tone of voice rattles yer inner  
> bones!!
>
> Her response . "What? You don't want to be the best you can be?" OR,  
> "Is
> this one of your all time best photographs illustrating your photo
> reputation?"  My response? "OK take it out." But we did have some  
> great
> battles. I always lost! :-)
>
> The worst part with her or any excellent photo editor is, when they  
> point
> out one has missed a tiny little thing and taken the edge off what  
> would be
> the perfect image! I wont go into the day while on a shoot I didn't  
> use a
> spot meter after she pointed it out! Then standing at the light table
> editing later!
>
> Steve, hopefully I've presented this correctly this time. If not let  
> me know
> and I'll phone you later today toward supper time and we can talk.

thank you very much Ted... I understand...

I'm going back to the original file...


I will work on it...


Steve


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