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Subject: [Leica] M8 and the WAR
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Thu Jun 12 00:16:31 2008
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Geoff,
Exactly what I mean - retention of value is only of interest to a collector
- users prefer bang for the buck!! Dont tell me that a 50mm Summicron is so
far ahead of a 50mm f1.8 Nikkor (or Canon) that the price differentials are
justified. I can buy the 50mm Nikkor and give it away if I so feel after a
few years - I lose only 100 bucks. The loss on the Summicron would be much
greater, however well it retained its value. This "retention of value" is a
chimera - a lot depends on the purchase price, and percentages have no
meaning, only absolute numbers.

After shooting digital with the crop factor (D70, D40X, D300), I have
realised that even halfway decent full frame lenses produce great results,
because you only use the center portion of the image. It should be different
for full frame digital, though of which I have no experience!
Cheers
Jayanand

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au>
wrote:

> Hi Jayanand, I thought we might hear from you when I mentioned Nikon vs.
> Leica ;-) The key word in my comments was RETENTION of value, being new
> price vs. current price. Once you've paid for those M lenses they can work
> for you and remain valuable for a very long time. Yes, you can buy a lot of
> used Nikon manual gear cheaply now for a rugged film outfit.
> Actually it is an interesting thread with a number of different issues
> being
> talked about, especially the performance of all digital cameras mentioned
> compared to the more rugged designs of pro film cameras.
> This week a story was related to me regarding a war photographer who is
> living here now. I got to see a proof run of prints of photographs by him
> during the Vietnam conflict. Evidently he survived an exploding grenade
> when
> shrapnel struck his Leica camera while he was holding it to his face.
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [Leica] M8 and the WAR
>
> Geoff,
> Also guess which is the better value now - the F3 is built like a rock, and
> is a very flexible system, thanks to various accessories that are available
> (viewfinders, focus screens,etc,etc)...some of those AIS lenses are no
> slouches either. Depends on whether you are a collector or user.
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au>
> wrote:
> ......On mechanical solid film kit second hand prices, all six of my
> remaining manual focus well built Nikon primes are currently for sale, for
> a
> total of about one half... the value of a single modern used Leica M lens,
> .... Guess which kit has better value retention ;-)
> > Cheers Geoff
> > -----Original Message-----
>
>
>
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