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Subject: OT RE: [Leica] Not Buying M8
From: hoppyman at (G Hopkinson)
Date: Mon Mar 10 17:46:04 2008
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Better turn that computer off then or do you have one of the steam powered
ones ;-) 
This thread is now officially off track!

-----Original Message-----

Subject: Re: [Leica] Not Buying M8

Digital uses electricity at every step of the way:   it therefore requires 
the generation of electricity, and that process is neither clean nor cheap 
and defintiely contaminates the environment.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luis Ripoll" <>
To: "'Leica Users Group'" <>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Not Buying M8

> Don, your arguments are very logical. The only point to comment as on a
> science fiction film, If I was the big boss of a big Company or if I can
> influence the international markets I would promote the marketing idea 
> about
> digital is clean, cheap, and not contaminant
> Saludos cordiales
> Luis
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De:
> [] En nombre 
> de
> Don Dory
> Enviado el: lunes, 10 de marzo de 2008 16:51
> Para: Leica Users Group
> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Not Buying M8
> Frank,Individual choice is what drove my family here almost 400 years ago.
> No problem.  But you would not need a new computer or lenses but may need 
> a
> new printer. Or not,  many retailers now have an Epson 4800-7800 on 
> premises
> so prints can be done elsewhere.
> Film is just going to get more expensive and processing more cult like
> unless you do your own.  Chemicals will be harder to find as the safety
> Nazi's continue to insist that Dektol is dangerous and requires special
> handling.  On the bonus side there are some great film cameras out there 
> for
> next to nothing; I picked up a very clean Canon 7 with 35 F2, 50 1.4, 100 
> F2
> and 135 3.5 all late black lenses for $300.  At those prices I will still
> use some film.
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Frank Filippone <>
> wrote:
>> you bring up a good point...... if it is a devalued US $.....
>> The M8 would cost $3500 if it were $1 = 1 EURO.  ( currently around
>> $1.5 =
>> 1
>> EURO )
>> Then a lot of this discussion of film to digital nonsense would go away.
>> All of us Americans should buy nothing, and all you Rest Or Worlders
>> should buy only USA Made goods.
>> Then the dollar would rise and the Americans could afford a $3500
>> Digital M.
>> Anyway, I find the rest of the argument unconvincing.  I use film
>> because #1, I am not a pro.  I do not have to use digital.  Pros have
>> to use digital.
>> #2  I have plenty of film cameras that I won, they work, and they do
>> what I want them to do.  I do not have to buy something else.
>> #3 While my personal finances may allow me to go buy a $5K camera Plus
>> SW and Printer and scanner for my existing negatives/transparencies
>> for maybe another $2-5K, I choose to spend my $$$ other places, or not at
> all.
>> #4 I can still get suitable film for what I like to do, and get it
>> processed, locally ( I live in Los Angeles area so processing is no
>> problem).  While some brands have gone away, I have found suitable
>> replacements.
>> #5 My cameras are reliable.  They are mechanical, made for 50 year
>> life( or more.... M6TTL is a pretty tough camera) and can be repaired
>> anywhere in the world in a few days by a lot of people.
>> #6 I have the patience to not need to Chimp or otherwise have my film
>> processed in 2 seconds ( I was never a fan of Polaroid either).  I can
>> wait.
>> #7 I just plain prefer to use film.  It suits me, my lifestyle, and my
>> hobby.
>> Anything wrong with that?  For Me?
>> Frank Filippone
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> Don
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