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Subject: [Leica] Printer Purgatory
From: nathan at nathanfoto.com (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Thu Jun 14 11:41:21 2007
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0706141118250.20993@mail.2alpha.com>

Hi Peter,

I had similar issues with the MIS inks (in an Epson 1160). If I had  
not used the printer for a couple of weeks, it was clog city.
I now use an Epson R800, with the standard Epson inks. It is the  
first printer I have owned that gives me good B&W and color, with the  
same set of inks. I have the monitor and printer calibrated, and the  
results are very nice. I am sticking to this with a couple of papers,  
and that's it. Like you, I do not want to spend half of my free time  
fiddling with settings. Also like you, I do not have a need to print  
many prints beyond A4/letter size, so financially it makes much more  
sense for me to let a lab make the 5-10 prints per year that I need  
in A3 or bigger sizes.

Nathan


On 14-jun-2007, at 20:22, Peter Klein wrote:

> I've just wasted another evening and about $15 worth of ink dealing  
> with a print head Clog From Hell. My Epson 1280 printer with MIS  
> Ultratone 2 grayscale inks produces beautiful B&W prints--when it  
> works. But I've just about had it with the periodic clogs, banding  
> and mysterious goings-on.  I just had to flush out my print heads  
> with a special cleaning cartridge, put cleaning fluid on the pad  
> that the heads rest on, and hope that that clears it.
>
> Part of the problem is using the pigmented MIS inks on a printer  
> designed for dye ink. There are other issues. My workflow with the  
> Paul Roarke curves worked beautifully for several years, then  
> stopped working when I changed to a new cartridge, and hasn't  
> worked since. Fortunately, the "easy way" method still works, so  
> I've been using that. But why this happened has never been explained.
>
> I have two printers.  I used the 1280 for color for a while, then  
> dedicated it to B&W.  I got an Epson R200 for a song, and dedicated  
> that to color. Neither printer ever gave me WYSIWYG color.  The  
> Epson-provided profiles (I've downloaded several) don't work with  
> Epson's own papers. Always much too dark.  I've had to resort to  
> manually creating curves that work with some slider settings I  
> downloaded from the Norman Koren site.
>
> All in all, it's feels like time to think about another printer.  
> Here are my requirements:
>
> 1.  I do a lot of B&W, so my printer must print B&W well.  A later  
> Epson printer (designed for pigmented ink) with either its own  
> grayscale inks or MIS would be OK.  But I'm not wedded to Epson if  
> another company has a better solution.
>
> 2.  I just want the printer to work. If I send it a profiled  
> grayscale file, and tell it to print grayscale, it should produce a  
> print that looks like what I see on my profiled monitor.  Ditto  
> color.  I understand that perfection requires customization.  But I  
> don't want to have to spend weeks tweaking curves and profiles just  
> for decent basic performance.
>
> 3.  A printer wider than letter-size is nice, but it's not an  
> absolute requirement.  I rarely print bigger than 8.5 x 11.  If the  
> best printer for me has a letter-sized carriage, I can always  
> outsource the few big prints I do per year. On the other hand, if a  
> bigger printer means bigger cartridges that don't need changing as  
> often, that might be better.  Cost of consumables matters, too.
>
> 4.  The high-end, $1000-plus printers are really not an option.  I  
> don't print enough to justify them, just as I didn't print enough  
> to justify cartridge refilling or a continuous flow system.  So  
> we're talking a $100 - $800-ish printer.
>
> I have heard that many people get good results with MIS inks and  
> the Epson R200 or R300.  If that's a good way to go, I could always  
> revert back to color with the 1280 and convert the R200 to B&W.   
> But if I'm just going to get more clogs, forget it, I might as well  
> try something else.
>
> Advice welcome!
>
> --Peter
>
>
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Nathan Wajsman
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