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Subject: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
From: s.dimitrov at charter.net (Slobodan Dimitrov)
Date: Tue May 8 18:19:21 2007
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Pull is the reverse of push.
Mmmh, interesting....!

Slobodan Dimitrov




On May 8, 2007, at 4:58 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:

> Sorry, I'm not sure to understand your question, if you ask if they  
> push the
> development for me, the answer is no, is their regular development
>
> Saludos
> Luis
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En  
> nombre de
> Slobodan Dimitrov
> Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 09 de mayo de 2007 0:48
> Para: Leica Users Group
> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>
> Will they pull development for you?
>
> Slobodan Dimitrov
>
>
>
>
> On May 8, 2007, at 3:26 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>
>> That's worlwide accepted, obviously at this step that's not the
>> question for me. The development of my films is by a professional Lab
>> I'm very satisfied, maybe the exposure of the showed shot was not the
>> idoneous, but at least on my experience after photographing up when I
>> was 13 I only have obtained this kind of results very few times when
>> I've used old lenses, and I insist on my opinion that this will be  
>> not
>> the result with i.e. my Summicron #11819, I'm sure that editing could
>> be improved, or should be. The new Elmar-M is a nice lens, I enjoy  
>> it,
>> but IMO on these extremely backlighting conditions shows a weak  
>> point.
>> Saludos,
>> Luis
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>> nombre de Slobodan Dimitrov Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007
>> 23:21
>> Para: Leica Users Group
>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>>
>> It's a way to figure out the optimal parameter between exposure and
>> development.
>> While originally intended for 4x5, it can be adapted for 120 and  
>> 35mm.
>> I looked for it on the net, and came up blank. I did find the Fred
>> Picker material, but that doesn't address roll film.
>> This was a staple of photo 100 classes. Unfortunately processing is
>> rarely thought at schools these days.
>> One has to know the materials. If not, then that gap in one's
>> knowledge is a limitation that becomes the plateau of one's
>> capabilities.
>>
>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 8, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>
>>> What do you mind for a "9 negative test"?
>>>
>>> Saludos cordiales
>>> Luis
>>>
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>>> nombre de slobodan dimitrov Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007
>>> 3:37
>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>>>
>>> Actually, it's not the lens performance that is in question so much
>>> as the performance of the photographer.
>>> The issue in this image is that of exposure and processing.
>>> Luis, tell me, have you ever done a 9 negative test?
>>>
>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>>
>>>> Not at all, exceot if you want... it will be welcome as always, my
>>>> own critique is on the lens performance, I don't like very much  
>>>> this
>>>> picture, IMO the results of this strong backlight situation reminds
>>>> me the results I had with other older lenses, i.e. I think that
>>>> actual Summicron will performs better on such situation.
>>>>
>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>> Luis
>>>>
>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>>>> nombre de Slobodan Dimitrov Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007
>>>> 0:33
>>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To  
>>>> Slobodan
>>>>
>>>> Are you asking for a critique?
>>>>
>>>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 7, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a hard work editing this picture with the new Elmar-M, of
>>>>> course it is a very strong light situation, and I'm sure that it
>>>>> would be very difficult to manage with any other lens, but on a
>>>>> such crazy test...
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3023665
>>>>>
>>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>>> Luis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>>>>> nombre de slobodan dimitrov Enviado el: domingo, 06 de mayo de  
>>>>> 2007
>>>>> 23:44
>>>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5
>>>>> Summaron
>>>>> - NowSummitar
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a LTM Summitar from the early 1950's. While of a slightly
>>>>> lower contrast, what it gains in flare makes it virtually useless
>>>>> near the ocean.
>>>>> out here.
>>>>> Now the new Elmar-M, that's a different story. Less prone to  
>>>>> flare,
>>>>> if at all, and smooth consistent luminosity under the worst
>>>>> possible light condition.
>>>>>
>>>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 6, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean pancake flat, like an Elmar. Daniel want to put it in his
>>>>>> trouser pocket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But now that you mention it, last week a guest speaker at the  
>>>>>> LHSA
>>>>>> spring shoot mentioned some excellent low contrast Leica lenses,
>>>>>> but I failed to write it down. Like you, I get terrible contrast
>>>>>> problems in the subtropical sun down here. The lens he mentioned
>>>>>> was probably single-coated, post-WWII.
>>>>>> It wasn't the Summarit or the Summaron (I have both of those). My
>>>>>> recollection (fuzzy) was that it was a Summitar. Anyone out there
>>>>>> use one of those these days?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeffery Smith
>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>>>> http://www.400tx.com
>>>>>> http://400tx.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of slobodan dimitrov
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:07 PM
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5
>>>>>> Summaron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my lighting environment, the harbors of LA and LB, their
>>>>>> contrast suits me just fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 6, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I started one re: people's thoughts on 35mm LTM lenses,  
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> I didn't care if they were FLAT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeffery Smith
>>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>>>>> http://www.400tx.com
>>>>>>> http://400tx.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Daniel Ridings
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:16 AM
>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5
>>>>>>> Summaron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it my brain or did we have a 35mm LTM thread last week or  
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> week before Remember how I mentioned my Summaron? Others
>>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>> others?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am sorry to have missed it. I have had to pass over
>>>>>>> hundreds, if
>>>>>>> not a couple thousand, postings lately. I just haven't been
>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>> keep up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the tip. I'll check out the archives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>
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In reply to: Message from jsmith342 at cox.net (Jeffery Smith) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5 Summaron - Now Summitar)
Message from s.dimitrov at charter.net (slobodan dimitrov) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5 Summaron - Now Summitar)
Message from luisripoll at telefonica.net (Luis Ripoll) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
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