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Subject: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
From: s.dimitrov at charter.net (slobodan dimitrov)
Date: Tue May 8 14:50:05 2007
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...and expose for the highlights, while printing, and filter for the  
shadows.

S. Dimitrov


On May 8, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Walt Johnson wrote:

> How about /*expose for the shadows, develop for the highlights?*/
>
> Slobodan Dimitrov wrote:
>> It's a way to figure out the optimal parameter between exposure  
>> and development.
>> While originally intended for 4x5, it can be adapted for 120 and  
>> 35mm.
>> I looked for it on the net, and came up blank. I did find the Fred  
>> Picker material, but that doesn't address roll film.
>> This was a staple of photo 100 classes. Unfortunately processing  
>> is rarely thought at schools these days.
>> One has to know the materials. If not, then that gap in one's  
>> knowledge is a limitation that becomes the plateau of one's  
>> capabilities.
>>
>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 8, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>
>>> What do you mind for a "9 negative test"?
>>>
>>> Saludos cordiales
>>> Luis
>>>
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En  
>>> nombre de
>>> slobodan dimitrov
>>> Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007 3:37
>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>>>
>>> Actually, it's not the lens performance that is in question so  
>>> much as the
>>> performance of the photographer.
>>> The issue in this image is that of exposure and processing.
>>> Luis, tell me, have you ever done a 9 negative test?
>>>
>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>>
>>>> Not at all, exceot if you want... it will be welcome as always,  
>>>> my own
>>>> critique is on the lens performance, I don't like very much this
>>>> picture, IMO the results of this strong backlight situation  
>>>> reminds me
>>>> the results I had with other older lenses, i.e. I think that actual
>>>> Summicron will performs better on such situation.
>>>>
>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>> Luis
>>>>
>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>>>> nombre de Slobodan Dimitrov Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007
>>>> 0:33
>>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To  
>>>> Slobodan
>>>>
>>>> Are you asking for a critique?
>>>>
>>>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 7, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a hard work editing this picture with the new Elmar-M, of
>>>>> course it is a very strong light situation, and I'm sure that it
>>>>> would be very difficult to manage with any other lens, but on a  
>>>>> such
>>>>> crazy test...
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3023665
>>>>>
>>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>>> Luis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>>>>> nombre de slobodan dimitrov Enviado el: domingo, 06 de mayo de  
>>>>> 2007
>>>>> 23:44
>>>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5  
>>>>> Summaron
>>>>> - NowSummitar
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a LTM Summitar from the early 1950's. While of a slightly
>>>>> lower contrast, what it gains in flare makes it virtually useless
>>>>> near the ocean.
>>>>> out here.
>>>>> Now the new Elmar-M, that's a different story. Less prone to  
>>>>> flare,
>>>>> if at all, and smooth consistent luminosity under the worst  
>>>>> possible
>>>>> light condition.
>>>>>
>>>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 6, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean pancake flat, like an Elmar. Daniel want to put it in his
>>>>>> trouser pocket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But now that you mention it, last week a guest speaker at the  
>>>>>> LHSA
>>>>>> spring shoot mentioned some excellent low contrast Leica  
>>>>>> lenses, but
>>>>>> I failed to write it down. Like you, I get terrible contrast
>>>>>> problems in the subtropical sun down here. The lens he  
>>>>>> mentioned was
>>>>>> probably single-coated, post-WWII.
>>>>>> It wasn't the Summarit or the Summaron (I have both of those). My
>>>>>> recollection (fuzzy) was that it was a Summitar. Anyone out there
>>>>>> use one of those these days?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeffery Smith
>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>>>> http://www.400tx.com
>>>>>> http://400tx.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On  
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> slobodan dimitrov
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:07 PM
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5
>>>>>> Summaron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my lighting environment, the harbors of LA and LB, their  
>>>>>> contrast
>>>>>> suits me just fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 6, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I started one re: people's thoughts on 35mm LTM lenses,  
>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>> didn't care if they were FLAT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeffery Smith
>>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>>>>> http://www.400tx.com
>>>>>>> http://400tx.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On  
>>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Daniel Ridings
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:16 AM
>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5
>>>>>>> Summaron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it my brain or did we have a 35mm LTM thread last week or  
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> week before Remember how I mentioned my Summaron? Others  
>>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>> others?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am sorry to have missed it. I have had to pass over  
>>>>>>> hundreds, if
>>>>>>> not a couple thousand, postings lately. I just haven't been  
>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>> keep up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the tip. I'll check out the archives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>
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Replies: Reply from walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
In reply to: Message from jsmith342 at cox.net (Jeffery Smith) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5 Summaron - Now Summitar)
Message from s.dimitrov at charter.net (slobodan dimitrov) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5 Summaron - Now Summitar)
Message from luisripoll at telefonica.net (Luis Ripoll) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
Message from s.dimitrov at charter.net (Slobodan Dimitrov) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
Message from luisripoll at telefonica.net (Luis Ripoll) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
Message from s.dimitrov at charter.net (slobodan dimitrov) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
Message from luisripoll at telefonica.net (Luis Ripoll) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
Message from s.dimitrov at charter.net (Slobodan Dimitrov) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
Message from walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)