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Subject: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Tue May 8 14:31:18 2007
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How about /*expose for the shadows, develop for the highlights?*/

Slobodan Dimitrov wrote:
> It's a way to figure out the optimal parameter between exposure and 
> development.
> While originally intended for 4x5, it can be adapted for 120 and 35mm.
> I looked for it on the net, and came up blank. I did find the Fred 
> Picker material, but that doesn't address roll film.
> This was a staple of photo 100 classes. Unfortunately processing is 
> rarely thought at schools these days.
> One has to know the materials. If not, then that gap in one's 
> knowledge is a limitation that becomes the plateau of one's capabilities.
>
> Slobodan Dimitrov
>
>
>
>
> On May 8, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>
>> Hi Slobodan,
>>
>> What do you mind for a "9 negative test"?
>>
>> Saludos cordiales
>> Luis
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En 
>> nombre de
>> slobodan dimitrov
>> Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007 3:37
>> Para: Leica Users Group
>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>>
>> Actually, it's not the lens performance that is in question so much 
>> as the
>> performance of the photographer.
>> The issue in this image is that of exposure and processing.
>> Luis, tell me, have you ever done a 9 negative test?
>>
>> S. Dimitrov
>>
>>
>> On May 7, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>
>>> Not at all, exceot if you want... it will be welcome as always, my own
>>> critique is on the lens performance, I don't like very much this
>>> picture, IMO the results of this strong backlight situation reminds me
>>> the results I had with other older lenses, i.e. I think that actual
>>> Summicron will performs better on such situation.
>>>
>>> Saludos cordiales
>>> Luis
>>>
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>>> nombre de Slobodan Dimitrov Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007
>>> 0:33
>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>>>
>>> Are you asking for a critique?
>>>
>>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>>
>>>> I had a hard work editing this picture with the new Elmar-M, of
>>>> course it is a very strong light situation, and I'm sure that it
>>>> would be very difficult to manage with any other lens, but on a such
>>>> crazy test...
>>>>
>>>>  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3023665
>>>>
>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>> Luis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>>>> nombre de slobodan dimitrov Enviado el: domingo, 06 de mayo de 2007
>>>> 23:44
>>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5 Summaron
>>>> - NowSummitar
>>>>
>>>> I have a LTM Summitar from the early 1950's. While of a slightly
>>>> lower contrast, what it gains in flare makes it virtually useless
>>>> near the ocean.
>>>> out here.
>>>> Now the new Elmar-M, that's a different story. Less prone to flare,
>>>> if at all, and smooth consistent luminosity under the worst possible
>>>> light condition.
>>>>
>>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 6, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I mean pancake flat, like an Elmar. Daniel want to put it in his
>>>>> trouser pocket.
>>>>>
>>>>> But now that you mention it, last week a guest speaker at the LHSA
>>>>> spring shoot mentioned some excellent low contrast Leica lenses, but
>>>>> I failed to write it down. Like you, I get terrible contrast
>>>>> problems in the subtropical sun down here. The lens he mentioned was
>>>>> probably single-coated, post-WWII.
>>>>> It wasn't the Summarit or the Summaron (I have both of those). My
>>>>> recollection (fuzzy) was that it was a Summitar. Anyone out there
>>>>> use one of those these days?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeffery Smith
>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>>> http://www.400tx.com
>>>>> http://400tx.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> slobodan dimitrov
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:07 PM
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5
>>>>> Summaron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In my lighting environment, the harbors of LA and LB, their contrast
>>>>> suits me just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 6, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, I started one re: people's thoughts on 35mm LTM lenses, but I
>>>>>> didn't care if they were FLAT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeffery Smith
>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>>>> http://www.400tx.com
>>>>>> http://400tx.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Daniel Ridings
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:16 AM
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5
>>>>>> Summaron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it my brain or did we have a 35mm LTM thread last week or the
>>>>>>> week before Remember how I mentioned my Summaron? Others mentioned
>>>>>>> others?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry to have missed it. I have had to pass over hundreds, if
>>>>>> not a couple thousand, postings lately. I just haven't been able to
>>>>>> keep up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the tip. I'll check out the archives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>
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Replies: Reply from s.dimitrov at charter.net (slobodan dimitrov) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
In reply to: Message from jsmith342 at cox.net (Jeffery Smith) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5 Summaron - Now Summitar)
Message from s.dimitrov at charter.net (slobodan dimitrov) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5 Summaron - Now Summitar)
Message from luisripoll at telefonica.net (Luis Ripoll) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
Message from s.dimitrov at charter.net (Slobodan Dimitrov) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
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Message from s.dimitrov at charter.net (slobodan dimitrov) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
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