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Subject: [Leica] First M8 experience
From: luisripoll at telefonica.net (Luis Ripoll)
Date: Sun Jan 28 07:03:35 2007
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Hi Jim,

IMHO Leica should replace all the M8 sold, I think this is unacceptable and
unbelievable!. I hope to see the right Leica reaction, as well that Leica
digital goes to the 1:1 format, I'm not attracted, even on B&W for the 1,33
format.

Saludos cordiales
Luis 

-----Mensaje original-----
De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En nombre de
Jim Laurel
Enviado el: domingo, 28 de enero de 2007 3:38
Para: Leica Users Group
Asunto: Re: [Leica] First M8 experience

So here's a dumb test shot, taken this morning right outside my front door.

Here's the shot from the Canon EOS1DS.  Natural color, as I have come to
expect from this camera.  No problems here.
http://www.twango.com/media/jim.public/jim.12553?sort=5

Here's the shot from the leica.  Wow!  Disneyland!  Notice how many of the
plants in the foreground have gone magenta.  And if you click through to the
larger image, notice all the color fringing in the high contrast areas:
http://www.twango.com/media/jim.public/jim.12552?sort=5

Some people are emailing me and saying that they have not had any trouble
like this in several weeks of using the camera, even with no IR filters.
Have I got a bad one?  Because it is completely unusable as it is.

--Jim



On Jan 27, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Leonard Taupier wrote:

> Jim,
>
> You need the IR filter, big time. Every condition you mention is  
> the absolute worst case for IR interference. I don't believe lens  
> coding corrects anything and will continue to believe so until  
> someone can prove different. I was lucky. I already had a hot  
> mirror IR filter and a couple step up rings before I bought my M8.  
> The without filter results are as you describe. I would suggest  
> getting one filter from somewhere and redo the test before you give  
> up the ship. Don't wait for Leica to send you one but buy one  
> filter (if you can find your size in stock) and run the same test.  
> If after you do that and you're still not happy then the M8 isn't  
> for you.  (BTW, none of my posted M8 pictures used a filter).
>
> Good luck with whatever you decide.
> Len
>
> On Jan 27, 2007, at 1:43 PM, Jim Laurel wrote:
>
>> Well, despite my better judgement and the sage advice of some  
>> here, B.D. not least, I decided to purchase an M8.
>>
>> My experience so far has not been encouraging.  I seem to be  
>> experiencing every M8 foible in the book in tests with my  
>> Summicron 28 ASPH mounted.  Shooting last night under tungsten  
>> light, people with navy blue shirts came out MAGENTA.  Color  
>> balance is unpredictable, rendering the jpg mode essentially  
>> useless.  Test shots outdoors in high contrast scenes exhibit the  
>> most unbelievable chromatic fringing.
>>
>> Perhaps I should reserve my opinion until I get my lenses coded  
>> and the IR filters in place (I don't have either yet), but side by  
>> side comparisons with my Canon 1Ds are no comparison.  The M8  
>> photos are indeed show better resolution, but who cares when high  
>> contrast areas have such overwhelming purple fringing?  The 1Ds  
>> photos aren't as crisp, but you can sharpen them up and at least  
>> the colors look natural and your photo doesn't look like someone  
>> drew all over it with a red marker.
>>
>> For those of you who are using the IR filters and have your lenses  
>> coded, please tell me that this camera is actually usable with  
>> those things in place.  Otherwise, it looks like eBay time...
>>
>> Cheers - Jim Laurel
>>
>>
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