Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/12/08

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Subject: [Leica] Re: Digital Leica back
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Fri Dec 8 14:58:06 2006
References: <200612081553.kB8FqDYE003204@server1.waverley.reid.org> <B45D0019-D8DD-40CC-AEE1-A9928FF611BA@optonline.net> <4cfa589b0612081453h1938c74by6de5bd08464ff29a@mail.gmail.com>

I'd give the idea to Sony and let the Japanese run with it. They 
certainly aren't engineering slouches and seem more innovative the 
current German wiz kids.

Adam Bridge wrote:

> I find your idea intriguing but you do this hand-waving thing that
> completely ignores the cost of firmware development not to mention the
> lens array that will be needed in front of the CCD. That's some
> serious R&D bucks to be spent that isn't on the order of machining up
> an example of a rapid-winder or making a soft-touch release. Some very
> substantial buck-a-ding-dongs are gonna have to be spent to put the
> pieces together with the risk that the hoity-toity or maybe stodgey
> will look at it, sniff "Well it's on 8M and it's low-light isn't that
> hot and . . ." it will go on and on.
>
> I think if anyone could develop a product like this it would be Leica
> itself who now understands most if not all the issues related to the
> sensor's location and what those micro-lens arrays have to do.
>
> Adam
>
> On 12/8/06, Lawrence Zeitlin <lrzeitlin@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Bringing together a number of threads: Walt's minimal digital Leica,
>> the LUG anti-chimping attitude, high M8 prices, and the multitude of
>> old film Leicas.
>>
>> A current issue of an electronics trade publication mentioned that
>> large area 8 Mb CCD sensor chips and associated circuitry were
>> becoming commodity items and would be featured in next year's
>> consumer digital cameras. The expected retail price point of the
>> cameras would be around $200. The Apple web site featured a USB to
>> iPod connector that would download images from a digital camera,
>> storing the data on the iPod's 20 or 30 Gb disc and simultaneously
>> displaying the image on the iPod's screen.
>>
>> Bringing all this together: With digital electronics getting cheaper
>> and cheaper it is apparent that the main cost of a digital Leica is
>> the mechanical components. Based on years of consulting to the
>> optoelectronics industry, I estimate that the mechanical and optical
>> components of the M8 account for more than 80% of the manufacturing
>> cost. But all the old M Leicas already have the costly items.
>>
>> It may be time to dust off the idea of a digital add on for the older
>> Leica cameras. If a digital sensor chip was fashioned to replace the
>> film inspection port, and the electronics, battery and memory card
>> were contained in a baseplate extension, older Leicas could be
>> updated to the digital age without losing their film capability.
>> Eight Mb is enough for quality work. Note that the concept does not
>> include a viewing screen. No chimping allowed. Yet if the
>> photographer wanted to chimp, the iPod download would let him/her do
>> so at leisure. In addition the iPod would allow storage of a weeks
>> shooting without changing memory cards and you could listen to music
>> between exposures.
>>
>> The probable cost of such an add on would be less that $1000. I would
>> certainly buy one at that price. It is obvious that Leica would never
>> make such a device because it would cannibalize sales of the M8, but
>> one of the Asian makers of digital cameras might jump into the
>> market. After all, in the early days of the Leica, dozens of small
>> companies made a reasonable income feeding off the body of the German
>> giant. Leica is no giant any more but there are thousands of Leica
>> owners out there who think that $5000 is too much for the opportunity
>> of using their old lenses.
>>
>> Larry Z
>>
>>
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In reply to: Message from lrzeitlin at optonline.net (Lawrence Zeitlin) ([Leica] Re: Digital Leica back)
Message from abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) ([Leica] Re: Digital Leica back)