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Subject: [Leica] High ISOs Comparison
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Fri Dec 8 07:36:16 2006
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Clyde

I guess the bottom line is what makes us feel we're getting results. I 
agree with you 100 percent about converting color to b&w. Most here are 
looking for what they consider "quality" and a converted 100 ISO 
transparency will jump off the screen. Still, when I'm serious about 
making an image I prefer to scan Tri-X or HP5. As long as the Digital 
Ice is off the scabs will be fine. The only way I've ever liked a 
converted C41 is by adding noise and considering how hard we use to try 
to escape grain .....

One thing for sure, nothing else feels like a Leica. The Bessa is 
probably a good camera but they just don't feel right. Even the old 
Nikon and Canon rangefinders don't quite match the feel. I keep waiting 
for the market to fall on film Leicas but so far it's reasonably 
stable.  My plan was to stockpile them and wait for the gigantic 
sunspots to  show up. After that, film will make a comeback. :-)

Walt




Clyde Rogers wrote:

> Hello Walt,
>
> On Dec 8, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>
>> Eric
>>
>> I certainly can't disagree with your reasons for going digital but  
>> just for the heck of it don't get that M8 yet.
>>
>> Get a Nikon Coolscan for $600 and let Walgreens process your film  
>> (no prints, process only) for $2.15 a roll. After that, you can  
>> decide on color or b&w while sitting in front of your PC. An Epson  
>> 1280 for $300 will turn out a fine 11x14 and if you get after  market 
>> inks the print is archival. (whatever that is supposed to  mean)  
>> This will let you save $4000 so get a $400 Canon from Target  and put 
>> away the rest for a nice trip to Vegas. :-)
>
>
> This approach makes a lot of sense, especially considering bang for  
> the buck.  I have an M8, but still use (and will continue to use) my  
> film Leicas.  The M8 workflow is far, far faster.  My M8 color  
> results for color are clearly better than I got from film (I am  
> primarily a black and white shooter, I never really nailed that color  
> thing...).  In black and white, I think film is still the benchmark  
> quality standard.  That said, the M8 is the best digital camera I've  
> used for black and white, and I definitely prefer it to black and  
> white conversions of scanned color negatives (I've really tried, but  
> that's just never done much for me).
>
> I have the coolscan, I have an old Epson printer, and I've done  
> exactly what you're describing.  And I've done the Canon.  And I feel  
> like the M8 is actually worth every penny I spent on it.  For far too  
> many interrelated reasons that I don't understand well enough to even  
> discuss, I'm getting better results from it, and that's the whole point.
>
> Until later,
>
> Clyde Rogers
>
>
>
>
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