Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/12/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I seem to remember Tina also went through a similar exercise with her 5D when she got it also. This is not a M8 only problem. I have also gone through similar experiments with my D200 to get results I liked. Doug is correct, this is similar to what we all went through with our film cameras and finding out what film/developer combinations worked best for each of us. Gene -------------- Original message from Douglas Herr <telyt@earthlink.net>: -------------- > On Dec 7, 2006, at 8:04 PM, Frank Filippone wrote: > > > Doug, with all respect... BS...... > > Not at all Frank. Tina has found that SilkyPix produces much better > results than C1, and the average user with D76 is benefitting from many > hundreds of tests my countless photographers over the years - yet the > average user isn't optimizing his development. What's the point of > Xtol or TMax developer if D76 is all we need? > > The real question here is what's the goal of using the camera? Is it > snapshots of the kids? if so a Leica isn't the optimum tool because it > requires additional user involvement in the process than the mainstream > cameras do. Likewise on the processing end of the imaging chain. If > you don't try to optimize the results you're losing a lot of the > advantages Leica has to offer. > > > > > The average user uses D76 1:1 if he is sophisticated, and straight if > > he is not. The esoteric user tries Pyrocat HD in ( I forget, > > some other chemical....) But it is not the esoteric user that buys a > > M8.... It is your average every day Doctor, Lawyer or Indian > > Chief.... someone with financial assets to spend $5K on a digital > > camera to take pictures of Little Dora Sue..... ( Pink party > > dress and all.... ) > > > > You can always find someone who tries out some weird combination of > > chemistry ( I read about a guy that developed his film in > > coffee.....) and got a result. So what? ... Would you like to try > > out Vitamin C ( basis of Xtol) or Pyro ( around for roughly > > 100 years)......? I have heard of both used ... > > > > But SW changes faster than known chemistry changes... If you try to > > keep up with the technology advances, you will get mired down > > in trying stuff instead of making images.... and isn't that what the > > camera is all about Making Images? > > > > What Tina is doing is fine for Tina.... But I personally have no > > intention of going through 7 different SW programs and their ( 2 to > > the 7th or 128) combinations to find a mix that makes my M-whatever > > work like it is advertised. And I bet that even in the LUG, > > there are fewer than a handful that want to go through as much trouble > > as she already has..... Never mind that EACH of these > > programs costs money, and takes time to try out.....and will be around > > and supported for some indeterminate time. Mind you, Tina > > has not yet found the magic bullet to equal what another camera has > > shown is possible.... > > > > Let me say all of this some other way.... In RAW files, the data form > > each pixel is measured and recorded. If you view those > > pixels, you get an accurate rendition of what the sensor saw. Why is > > ANY SW tweaking necessary? Where do the original pixels go? > > Where do the new pixels come from? Why does program X not give the > > same results as program Y? I don't need this grief to take > > images....and most users don't want it either. > > > > The point is to make it easy for the user, the AVERAGE user. To get > > results like the factory claims are possible. > > If you are an average user, use an average camera: one that's > pre-programmed to give average results. If you want > better-than-average results, get involved in the process. > > Doug Herr > Birdman of Sacramento > http://www.wildlightphoto.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information