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Subject: [Leica] DMR processing/workflow (was: 2500 ISO)
From: firkin at ncable.net.au (Alastair Firkin)
Date: Tue Nov 7 23:32:26 2006
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Jeff, I'm still waiting for my DMR to come back from Leica, then I  
intend working like a man possessed to try to understand this  
workflow thing as well. So I will hope to post some of my findings  
and wiggle out peoples experience as well. If we both keep nagging  
the path may become clear ;-)

On 08/11/2006, at 7:53, Jeff Moore wrote:

> 2006-11-06-23:23:27 Douglas Herr:
>> This weekend warrior appreciates the no-light capabilities of the  
>> DMR,
>> using ISO 1600 and even 3200 when required to get the picture.  I
>> haven't compared it with the results from competing brands but the
>> high-ISO noise looks to my eye like ISO 400 film grain, the color
>> quality is delightful and none of the photos I've made with it have
>> anywhere near the 'plastic' look I've seen in some digital photos.
>
> I'm wondering if I'm missing something about how to handle high-ISO  
> DMR
> images.  I love the way pictures made with the DMR and Leica glass  
> look
> when there's enough light for a low to middlin' ISO;  to my eye they
> beat the pictures I get with a current Canon and good Canon glass all
> hollow.  But when the light gets dim, and the ISOs high, I get  
> pictures
> which look kind of blotchy, with weird color that's hard to  
> correct.  So
> far, I'm pretty sure it's related to fist-sized snowflakes of noise
> almost entirely in the blue channel, so I get pretty good results if I
> do a conversion to grayscale mixed entirely from red and green...  but
> is there something I could be doing differently?  Can I actually get
> decent color images at the rough end of the ISO trail?
>
> I use Adobe CS2 and Adobe's RAW conversion;  is there some other RAW
> converter which works better with the DMR?  (I know Leica bundle  
> Capture
> One with the M8, and I also wonder about how the newfangled Aperture
> works.)
>
> Oh, and to jump to the opposite side of the ISO range...  as I said, I
> really like the quality of low-ISO images from this camera, but I'm  
> not
> prepared to swear that my workflow is optimal (especially since the
> Leica sensor doesn't have the fairly aggressive anti-aliasing  
> filter of
> the Canons).  Can some DMR initiates let us in on their soup-to-nuts
> usual processing chain, including import, any special anti-moire
> processing if there is such a thing, capture sharpening if used, noise
> filtering if done, editing, local contrast enhancement actions, final
> sharpening, everything -- and exactly in what sequence and under what
> conditions?  I'm hoping for an end-to-end description of the usual
> process for an image, just so see what I might have completely missed.
>
> To further add to the assignment (should anyone choose to accept  
> it) I'd
> love to see the end-to-end DMR workflow compared with the same  
> person's
> known-successful end-to-end Canon workflow.  I remain confused about
> issues of capture sharpening versus only sharpening right at the end.
> I'm sure I'm confused about other stuff, too.
>
> And, Ted -- because somehow I already see your email expressing a lack
> of welcome for too much technotrivia distracting you from taking
> pictures -- really, all this stuff is the digital equivalent of  
> talking
> about film emulsions and Xtol dilutions (with occasional interruptions
> from the black-nailed Pyro freaks).  Once we figure out the  
> processing,
> we can just do it, and pretty much stop thinking about it so we can
> concentrate on keeping that shutter button unstuck.  But right now, I
> have this feeling I don't have it right enough to forget about  
> yet.  I'd
> be perfectly happy to lazily adopt the techniques of someone who's put
> in the time to figure it out and get it right.  (F'rinstance, I  
> like the
> look I get by applying B.D.'s channel-mix-then-local-sharpen B&W
> conversion recipe, if I start with low-noise images.)
>
> So -- a lot of questions.  But I haven't yet noticed a detailed
> discussion end-to-end processing, especially with the DMR (but
> comparisons with other tech would also be of interest, especially  
> those
> damned Canons I sometimes end up having to use).  I know that I'd be
> grateful if a few people who've got this figured out could offer  
> hints,
> and I suspect I wouldn't be the only one.
>
> We'll only have to put up with a few tens of snipes from MJS and the
> rest of the most recalcitrant chemical photographers.  A small  
> price to
> pay.
>
> Thanks,
>
>    -Jeff M
>
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