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Subject: [Leica] Re:Re:Skin tone - film vs. digital (not a debate)
From: don.dory at (Don Dory)
Date: Sun Sep 3 20:22:48 2006
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May I humbly suggest that for some number of very skilled professionals the
tool either does or does not matter.  Example one would be the vast numbers
of professionals that used the 105 Nikkor so that a lot of portrait/fashion
all looked the same: then some enterprising photographers started going out
to 300 and some down to 20mm to make themselves different.  Some
professionals find that the DMR provides a different look that sets them
apart and hence marketable. In a reverse example we have highly acclaimed
photographers using Holga's or other "inappropriate"  equipment for the same

I would never state that the DMR will be mainstream or sell in large numbers
compared to D200's or D30's, but some folk find it quite useful to stand
out.  And, on the wide angle end, you will not find a better lens than
either the 15mm or the 19mm so again, for the right person, a competitive

Obviously, with the sales numbers that the R series generates this is a
small number of people, but then, Leica's aren't exactly well marketed and I
suspect that we are down to a very few truly knowledgeable sales folk that
can explain why this might be useful for specific people.  Scott's example
of the advantage of low key photography to film is one place where a
film/digital camera might make sense.

Rather than make the price/performance argument, let me simply state that
only the person/company can make the decision on what capital equipment
makes sense for the project at hand.  The new Airbus is frightfully
expensive both in original cost and infrastructure investment to use the
plane, but some airlines are making the wager that it will make them money.
In the hobby arena, a truly match grade pistol or rifle is many times more
expensive than the plain jane rival and all will put a hole in the target

Really, what tools or toys are bought and used or fondled is up to the
individual/organisation that uses them.  It is their capital, time, and
reputation so who cares what someone else acquires?

Cheers, and have a marvelous day pushing the shutter release.


On 9/3/06, Jayanand Govindaraj <> wrote:
> I dont say that - the Hassy is a fairly unique animal, as is the M
> series - the R8/R9 are not, despite whatever apologists might say. I
> would guess that the Nikon F100, leave alone the Nikon F6, would run
> rings around the R8/9 as a film camera. I will also stake anything on
> the fact that if I send a few prints shot with different cameras/lenses,
> hardly anyone would be able to identify them correctly.  Remember Leica
> markets on cachet - which is logical given Hermes' strengths.
> Cheers
> Jayanand Govindaraj
> Christopher Williams wrote:
> >Then is the Hassy H2d a waste of $22,000? Lots of professionals do not
> think
> >so.
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jayanand Govindaraj" Subject: Re: [Leica] Re:Skin tone - film vs.
> >digital (not a debate)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Dont you think, in the world of professional photography (Doug Herr
> >>excepted), that the DMR is irrelevant? If cost/benefit does not enter an
> >>equation, then it is just an instrument for rich amateurs to gush over
> >>each other, like Linn turntables or Lamborghinis - a status symbol, to
> >>be sold at a high price, in low quantities, to keep the cachet alive.
> >>Classic Hermes marketing. I have yet to read a comparision of the DMR
> >>with anything anywhere, either in print or online, in a non specialist
> >>site. A Leica rangefinder is pretty unique, a Leica SLR much less so.
> >>Cheers
> >>Jayanand Govindaraj
> >>Chennai, India
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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