Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/09/03
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I have the same feeling. Grain looks good, sometimes really good - like Ralph Gibson's pics. Sure, I'm hyperbolizing - there often may well be unwanted film grain. But I've never seen noise that looked good. Yet. Hmm, maybe an exception here or there. Also, one can "generate" grain in different ways than the ways one generates noise. For example, souping HP5+ in Rodinal, running the developer a little warm, or using cold/hot washes during the development process to encourage grain reticulation, etc. As for noise generation, well, I have another really basic question about this, but I'm gonna Google around first. Scott animal wrote: > > >> Op 2-sep-06, om 19:04 heeft Ted Grant het volgende geschreven: >> >>> Yes I know some folks almost barf about shooting at 3200 and go on >>> about grain, oops pardon me... "noise'' ;-) Another one of those >>> stupid non-photographer electronic words I find bloody annoying >>> when it could've been called "electronic grain" then everyone who >>> were real film shooters would've known what the effect looked like. >>> And what the hell digi people were talking about. >> >> >> I do think that there's a big visual difference between grain and >> noise. When seen from a (too) short distance, I always felt that >> grain produced beautiful and naturally irregular transitions of tone >> (esp. in B/W). Must be that beautiful chemical reaction in negative >> development on the silver. >> The regularity of digital noise makes it visually less attractive >> for me. >> So I wouldn't just change 'noise' into 'digital grain'. There is a >> difference. And noise is less acceptable than grain. >> Just a feeling... >> >> Philippe >> > More then a feeling i,m sure. > There is a lot of info on the web on this .If i remember correctly > even the structure of the grain lumps > is influenced by the optics , so related to the recorded image and not > due to a random distibution. > As usual sorry for the yuckspeak > simon jes. > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Pics @ http://www.adrenaline.com/snaps Leica M6TTL, Bessa R, Nikon FM3a, Nikon D70, Rollei AFM35 (Jihad Sigint NSA FBI Patriot Act)