Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/05/12
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Absolutely. On 5/12/06 6:47 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote: > So, if I understand this correctly, in the past image manipulation > was better accepted? > > > Op 13-mei-06, om 00:06 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven: > >> No, their weren't. It's wild to go through picture libraries at >> places such >> as the Wash Post or Nyt and see what the "art" department did >> photos. But >> with the advent of digital, and the realization of how radically, and >> easily, reality can be altered, standard have become much more >> stringent. >> >> ...... Original Message ....... >> On Fri, 12 May 2006 23:48:37 +0200 Philippe Orlent >> <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote: >>> Every photographer should have been at least once in his life in a >>> real darkroom, even if only to look at somebody else doing >>> everything. I agree with you completely, B.D. >>> But I wonder, since not having it lived consciously myself, were >>> there similar discussions about truth -with even simple darkroom >>> techniques such as dodging and burning- back then, too? >>> If applied masterfully, they can change the content or perception of >>> a photograph as thoroughly as PS does nowadays. >>> >>> >>> Op 12-mei-06, om 23:28 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven: >>> >>>> It doesn't just apply to journalism though - it's beginning to be a >>>> lost >>>> reference point for all photography. The average kid today may >>>> never have >>>> been in a darkroom. Think about it - what the hell do "burn" and >>>> "dodge" >>>> mean - on the PS tools - if you've never done real darkroom >>>> work? :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/12/06 1:38 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree. If it's about journalism. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Op 12-mei-06, om 19:34 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven: >>>>> >>>>>> You think you're joking, Philippe - just a couple of hours ago >>>>>> I was >>>>>> skimming a column in a national press photographer's association >>>>>> magazine in >>>>>> which a photography teacher at, as I recall, the University of >>>>>> Arkansas said >>>>>> that they are now two years past the last class of graduates to >>>>>> have ever >>>>>> spent time in a real darkroom. And that, he said, begins to raise >>>>>> havoc with >>>>>> what has been the standard ethical guideline regarding the use of >>>>>> photoshop >>>>>> - only do to the image in photoshop what you would normally have >>>>>> done in a >>>>>> darkroom; or only except from a photoshopped image what you would >>>>>> have >>>>>> accepted from the darkroom. But if today's photographers think a >>>>>> darkroom is >>>>>> their bedroom with the lights off.... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/12/06 1:11 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dodging? That's the 7th down from the 2nd row of 'tools', right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just adding a ;-) to be sure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op 12-mei-06, om 19:05 heeft Rei Shinozuka het volgende >>>>>>> geschreven: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it's a very handsome photo otherwise, maybe dodging the >>>>>>>> surrounding >>>>>>>> areas would rescue the image. (doesn't the phrase "dodging" >>>>>>>> today sound almost quaint?) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have noticed that something approaching 100% of real-life "bad >>>>>>>> bokeh" >>>>>>>> examples are of vegetation; mostly tree branches or leaves. so >>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>> those bad bokesters away from wildlife! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -rei >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5/12/06 12:39 PM, "Nathan Wajsman" <nathan@nathanfoto.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well Daniel, with such subject matter one can tolerate many >>>>>>>>>> things...but >>>>>>>>>> that bokeh is indeed not very attractive. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Daniel Ridings wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> A lot of people puke at my Rolleicord's bokeh (under certain >>>>>>>>>>> circumstances ... close focus, pretty much wide-open). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.dlridings.se/gallery/v/informal/ >>>>>>>>>>> v15-0002-43264.jpg.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Rei Shinozuka shino@panix.com >>>>>>>> Ridgewood, New Jersey >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> ___ >> Sent from handheld device. 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