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Subject: [Leica] What's the Best All-Around 50?
From: philippe.orlent at pandora.be (Philippe Orlent)
Date: Fri May 12 15:47:29 2006
References: <C08A763D.10828%bdcolen@comcast.net> <4D432968-3DAD-478F-BBA8-2B64A5322660@pandora.be> <615-SnapperMsg4EA12C31C08AB83F@[70.221.71.253]>

So, if I understand this correctly, in the past image manipulation  
was better accepted?


Op 13-mei-06, om 00:06 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven:

> No, their weren't. It's wild to go through picture libraries at  
> places such
> as the Wash Post or Nyt and see what the "art" department did  
> photos. But
> with the advent of digital, and the realization of how radically, and
> easily, reality can be altered, standard have become much more  
> stringent.
>
> ...... Original Message .......
> On Fri, 12 May 2006 23:48:37 +0200 Philippe Orlent
> <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote:
>> Every photographer should have been at least once in his life in a
>> real darkroom, even if only to look at somebody else doing
>> everything. I agree with you completely, B.D.
>> But I wonder, since not having it lived consciously myself, were
>> there similar discussions about truth -with even simple darkroom
>> techniques such as dodging and burning- back then, too?
>> If applied masterfully, they can change the content or perception of
>> a photograph as thoroughly as PS does nowadays.
>>
>>
>> Op 12-mei-06, om 23:28 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> It doesn't just apply to journalism though - it's beginning to be a
>>> lost
>>> reference point for all photography. The average kid today may
>>> never have
>>> been in a darkroom. Think about it - what the hell do "burn" and
>>> "dodge"
>>> mean - on the PS tools - if you've never done real darkroom  
>>> work? :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/12/06 1:38 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree. If it's about journalism.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Op 12-mei-06, om 19:34 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven:
>>>>
>>>>> You think you're joking, Philippe - just a couple of hours ago  
>>>>> I was
>>>>> skimming a column in a national press photographer's association
>>>>> magazine in
>>>>> which a photography teacher at, as I recall, the University of
>>>>> Arkansas said
>>>>> that they are now two years past the last class of graduates to
>>>>> have ever
>>>>> spent time in a real darkroom. And that, he said, begins to raise
>>>>> havoc with
>>>>> what has been the standard ethical guideline regarding the use of
>>>>> photoshop
>>>>> - only do to the image in photoshop what you would normally have
>>>>> done in a
>>>>> darkroom; or only except from a photoshopped image what you would
>>>>> have
>>>>> accepted from the darkroom. But if today's photographers think a
>>>>> darkroom is
>>>>> their bedroom with the lights off....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/12/06 1:11 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dodging? That's the 7th down from the 2nd row of 'tools', right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just adding a ;-) to be sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Op 12-mei-06, om 19:05 heeft Rei Shinozuka het volgende  
>>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it's a very handsome photo otherwise, maybe dodging the
>>>>>>> surrounding
>>>>>>> areas would rescue the image.  (doesn't the phrase "dodging"
>>>>>>> today sound almost quaint?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i have noticed that something approaching 100% of real-life "bad
>>>>>>> bokeh"
>>>>>>> examples are of vegetation; mostly tree branches or leaves.  so
>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>> those bad bokesters away from wildlife!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -rei
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/12/06 12:39 PM, "Nathan Wajsman" <nathan@nathanfoto.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well Daniel, with such subject matter one can tolerate many
>>>>>>>>> things...but
>>>>>>>>> that bokeh is indeed not very attractive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Daniel Ridings wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> A lot of people puke at my Rolleicord's bokeh (under certain
>>>>>>>>>> circumstances ... close focus, pretty much wide-open).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.dlridings.se/gallery/v/informal/
>>>>>>>>>> v15-0002-43264.jpg.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Rei Shinozuka shino@panix.com
>>>>>>> Ridgewood, New Jersey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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