Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/05/12
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]No, their weren't. It's wild to go through picture libraries at places such as the Wash Post or Nyt and see what the "art" department did photos. But with the advent of digital, and the realization of how radically, and easily, reality can be altered, standard have become much more stringent. ...... Original Message ....... On Fri, 12 May 2006 23:48:37 +0200 Philippe Orlent <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote: >Every photographer should have been at least once in his life in a >real darkroom, even if only to look at somebody else doing >everything. I agree with you completely, B.D. >But I wonder, since not having it lived consciously myself, were >there similar discussions about truth -with even simple darkroom >techniques such as dodging and burning- back then, too? >If applied masterfully, they can change the content or perception of >a photograph as thoroughly as PS does nowadays. > > >Op 12-mei-06, om 23:28 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven: > >> It doesn't just apply to journalism though - it's beginning to be a >> lost >> reference point for all photography. The average kid today may >> never have >> been in a darkroom. Think about it - what the hell do "burn" and >> "dodge" >> mean - on the PS tools - if you've never done real darkroom work? :-) >> >> >> On 5/12/06 1:38 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> >> wrote: >> >>> I agree. If it's about journalism. >>> >>> >>> Op 12-mei-06, om 19:34 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven: >>> >>>> You think you're joking, Philippe - just a couple of hours ago I was >>>> skimming a column in a national press photographer's association >>>> magazine in >>>> which a photography teacher at, as I recall, the University of >>>> Arkansas said >>>> that they are now two years past the last class of graduates to >>>> have ever >>>> spent time in a real darkroom. And that, he said, begins to raise >>>> havoc with >>>> what has been the standard ethical guideline regarding the use of >>>> photoshop >>>> - only do to the image in photoshop what you would normally have >>>> done in a >>>> darkroom; or only except from a photoshopped image what you would >>>> have >>>> accepted from the darkroom. But if today's photographers think a >>>> darkroom is >>>> their bedroom with the lights off.... >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/12/06 1:11 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dodging? That's the 7th down from the 2nd row of 'tools', right? >>>>> >>>>> Just adding a ;-) to be sure. >>>>> >>>>> Op 12-mei-06, om 19:05 heeft Rei Shinozuka het volgende geschreven: >>>>> >>>>>> it's a very handsome photo otherwise, maybe dodging the >>>>>> surrounding >>>>>> areas would rescue the image. (doesn't the phrase "dodging" >>>>>> today sound almost quaint?) >>>>>> >>>>>> i have noticed that something approaching 100% of real-life "bad >>>>>> bokeh" >>>>>> examples are of vegetation; mostly tree branches or leaves. so >>>>>> keep >>>>>> those bad bokesters away from wildlife! >>>>>> >>>>>> -rei >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/12/06 12:39 PM, "Nathan Wajsman" <nathan@nathanfoto.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well Daniel, with such subject matter one can tolerate many >>>>>>>> things...but >>>>>>>> that bokeh is indeed not very attractive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Daniel Ridings wrote: >>>>>>>>> A lot of people puke at my Rolleicord's bokeh (under certain >>>>>>>>> circumstances ... close focus, pretty much wide-open). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.dlridings.se/gallery/v/informal/ >>>>>>>>> v15-0002-43264.jpg.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Rei Shinozuka shino@panix.com >>>>>> Ridgewood, New Jersey >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information ___ Sent from handheld device. Please forgive any typos or spelling errors.