Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/05/13
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Given the crop factor, I think the question will soon be "What is the best all around 35?" when we go bananas over the digital M. Eric On 5/12/06, B. D. Colen <bdcolen@comcast.net> wrote: > > Absolutely. > > > On 5/12/06 6:47 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote: > > > So, if I understand this correctly, in the past image manipulation > > was better accepted? > > > > > > Op 13-mei-06, om 00:06 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven: > > > >> No, their weren't. It's wild to go through picture libraries at > >> places such > >> as the Wash Post or Nyt and see what the "art" department did > >> photos. But > >> with the advent of digital, and the realization of how radically, and > >> easily, reality can be altered, standard have become much more > >> stringent. > >> > >> ...... Original Message ....... > >> On Fri, 12 May 2006 23:48:37 +0200 Philippe Orlent > >> <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote: > >>> Every photographer should have been at least once in his life in a > >>> real darkroom, even if only to look at somebody else doing > >>> everything. I agree with you completely, B.D. > >>> But I wonder, since not having it lived consciously myself, were > >>> there similar discussions about truth -with even simple darkroom > >>> techniques such as dodging and burning- back then, too? > >>> If applied masterfully, they can change the content or perception of > >>> a photograph as thoroughly as PS does nowadays. > >>> > >>> > >>> Op 12-mei-06, om 23:28 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven: > >>> > >>>> It doesn't just apply to journalism though - it's beginning to be a > >>>> lost > >>>> reference point for all photography. The average kid today may > >>>> never have > >>>> been in a darkroom. Think about it - what the hell do "burn" and > >>>> "dodge" > >>>> mean - on the PS tools - if you've never done real darkroom > >>>> work? :-) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 5/12/06 1:38 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I agree. If it's about journalism. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Op 12-mei-06, om 19:34 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven: > >>>>> > >>>>>> You think you're joking, Philippe - just a couple of hours ago > >>>>>> I was > >>>>>> skimming a column in a national press photographer's association > >>>>>> magazine in > >>>>>> which a photography teacher at, as I recall, the University of > >>>>>> Arkansas said > >>>>>> that they are now two years past the last class of graduates to > >>>>>> have ever > >>>>>> spent time in a real darkroom. And that, he said, begins to raise > >>>>>> havoc with > >>>>>> what has been the standard ethical guideline regarding the use of > >>>>>> photoshop > >>>>>> - only do to the image in photoshop what you would normally have > >>>>>> done in a > >>>>>> darkroom; or only except from a photoshopped image what you would > >>>>>> have > >>>>>> accepted from the darkroom. But if today's photographers think a > >>>>>> darkroom is > >>>>>> their bedroom with the lights off.... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 5/12/06 1:11 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dodging? That's the 7th down from the 2nd row of 'tools', right? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Just adding a ;-) to be sure. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Op 12-mei-06, om 19:05 heeft Rei Shinozuka het volgende > >>>>>>> geschreven: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> it's a very handsome photo otherwise, maybe dodging the > >>>>>>>> surrounding > >>>>>>>> areas would rescue the image. (doesn't the phrase "dodging" > >>>>>>>> today sound almost quaint?) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> i have noticed that something approaching 100% of real-life "bad > >>>>>>>> bokeh" > >>>>>>>> examples are of vegetation; mostly tree branches or leaves. so > >>>>>>>> keep > >>>>>>>> those bad bokesters away from wildlife! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -rei > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 5/12/06 12:39 PM, "Nathan Wajsman" <nathan@nathanfoto.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Well Daniel, with such subject matter one can tolerate many > >>>>>>>>>> things...but > >>>>>>>>>> that bokeh is indeed not very attractive. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Nathan > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Daniel Ridings wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> A lot of people puke at my Rolleicord's bokeh (under certain > >>>>>>>>>>> circumstances ... close focus, pretty much wide-open). > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.dlridings.se/gallery/v/informal/ > >>>>>>>>>>> v15-0002-43264.jpg.html > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Daniel > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Rei Shinozuka shino@panix.com > >>>>>>>> Ridgewood, New Jersey > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>>>>>> information > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>>>>> information > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>>>> information > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>>> information > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> ___ > >> Sent from handheld device. 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