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Subject: [Leica] Now RAW vs JPEG
From: richard-lists at imagecraft.com (Richard)
Date: Sat May 21 13:59:40 2005
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Ted, you got some very good explanations already, but lets try this (skip 
to the bottom if you want to read the punch line, as it were): in film 
imaging, the images are cut onto the film, then with the aids of some 
chemical soap, the images are fixed onto the film. With film photography, 
you have one chance to control how a latent image cut by the photons is to 
transform into a fixed image. Once you have the film (say a negative), then 
you use various printing techniques to get the print that you like in the 
printing process. This may involve using some filters etc.

Now JPG: what you are getting from the camera is not just a fixed image, 
but it has gone through certain software processing that the camera makers 
deem to make the images pretty darn good without much additional work. Yes, 
the KISS principle. Think of it as the camera maker is saying here's your 
PRINTED image! You have some control on what kind of software processing 
are done by poking with the menu and whatnots, but even if you turn off all 
processing, there is still the process of converting the file into JPG. 
With JPG conversion, some information are thrown away. In theory, most 
people would not notice the difference, but nevertheless, some information 
is lost.

With RAW data, it is not quite exactly the data that is recorded on the 
sensor, for some processing has to be done, but imagine you are looking at 
the latent image cut by the photons!!! Most of the time, you would apply a 
standard soap to get the image fixed, but if you want, now you can control 
how that latent image is fixed. May be you don't like the standard soap on 
this particular image. You can try something different. Xtol doesn't work? 
Well, redo it with HC-110! Think the image works better in color? No problem!

There are ways to get to your JPG pictures from the RAW files fairly 
easily. After all, anything that can be done by the camera's teeny CPU on 
the fly can be done better using your PC's gigahertz processor. No biggie. 
RAW gives you more freedom, that's all.


But you know how we always says, it's the photographer and not the camera 
gears? It really may be that "Best is the Enemy of Good Enough," and most 
of the time, you would want to use the KISS principle and use standard 
processing anyway. I don't think we will see better pictures per se from 
you if you start shooting RAW. It's like saying HCB's pictures would have 
been better if he has access to better film or the latest ASPH lens. Is RAW 
better? Sure it is, but then again, shooting with a tripod would get a 
sharper image. So why don't we shoot with tripods most of the time? Because 
it may not be practical or that it is just such a pain in the ass to use 
that you spend fighting with the tripod than catching Trudeau sliding down 
the rail. May be you will get frustrated with RAW converters and sitting in 
front of computer to get that image "just right." So may be after all, the 
KISS principle does win in the end.

// richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please 
use richard at imagecraft.com)


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