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Subject: [Leica] Re:Billingham bags banned from u.s. domestic flights
From: driggett at mac.com (Christopher Driggett)
Date: Mon Mar 14 19:41:57 2005
References: <BE5B7601.11748%mark@rabinergroup.com> <001d01c5290d$9e563290$833b6d18@ted>

Ted,
        Great statement!
I wish the paparazzi followed your example!
Cheers,
Chris

On Mar 14, 2005, at 7:18 PM, Ted Grant wrote:

> Mark Rabiner said:
>> To me arguing with cops is about the single dumbest thing you can 
>> ever do.
>> There is no such thing as "logic" for a tired overworked cop.<<,,,
>
> Hi Mark,
> Having done time as a newspaper photographer, I'm with you 100 percent.
>
> It doesn't matter what your rights are, or any of the "rules and 
> constitutional rights for your country"  DO NOT ARGUE WITH A COP!
> It's a no win situation! You maybe right as all get out by law, but at 
> the moment of "discussion" you are going to be the looser, period!
>
> Certainly if you are there to take pictures.
>
> Don't argue, and whatever you do, do not use the "right for the public 
> to know" or for heaven sake never use........... "Freedom of the 
> Press! The public have a right to know or any other dumb ass words of 
> such nature!" Just shut up, move on, break out the 300mm lens, a 
> couple of extenders and circumnavigate the police line with long lens 
> and extenders. Why? Well long lenses aren't just for shooting sports! 
> And it's much more successful!
>
> And the chances are in any argument with a police officer........ you 
> are going to loose at the crucial moment! And the chances are, if you 
> continue to "word fight" your situation, you'll end up in the back 
> seat of a cruiser and your competition will shoot your ass off and 
> have all the pictures! While you're sucking the hind tit and not a 
> frame to show for your determination to shoot your mouth off iInstead 
> of using your brains and photo equipment!
>
> I'm going to add, for heaven sake don't anyone come back to me with 
> the dumb ass argument about your constitutional rights etc! By law you 
> are probably correct, but arguing with a police officer at a high 
> tension moment is pure stupidity, save your breath and my reading time 
> later. It doesn't wash in the heat of a word battle! Trust me, been 
> there done it more times than you want to try!  No, I never won and 
> finally started to use my brains! Then I beat them everytime after 
> that with photo equipment and a quiet approach!! ;-)
>
> ted
>
>
>
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In reply to: Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Re:Billingham bags banned from u.s. domestic flights)
Message from tedgrant at shaw.ca (Ted Grant) ([Leica] Re:Billingham bags banned from u.s. domestic flights)