Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/09/17

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Subject: [Leica] All bets are off
From: masonster at (David Mason)
Date: Fri Sep 17 19:22:19 2004
References: <> <000001c49d24$6888dd40$6401a8c0@dorysrusp4>

My D100 was neither "late" nor "semi-disposable".

I tire of the "disposable" argument for digi. Its nonsense. Although
there was/is a big push by the companies to "replace" their film
offerings with digital they really are not replacing digital models
any faster than they did film. Also just because a new version of a
camera comes out doesn't mean the old one stops working... hell, ask
Doug about that. My D100 works fine, and will continue to work fine. I
may get a wild hair and decide to upgrade but I have absolutely no
*need* to upgrade.

It seems to me that people look at digital cameras as they do
computers in the early 90s. Its simply not the same. The technology is
not moving as fast as one might think... if it was Epson probably
could have made a full-frame "Like-a".


On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:08:34 -0400, Don Dory <> wrote:
> Greg,
> The problem with Nikon is that this is an announcement for future
> availability.  Delivery maybe in the late fall with a few numbers to
> make the marketing people happy: we are shipping the D2x now.  The
> reality is that Nikon has been seriously late delivering bodies since
> the F5 debuted at the 96 Olympics, but you couldn't really buy one until
> January of the following year.
> If you are high on the Nikon Professional list then you will be fine and
> receive product, or if your timeline is fine with sometime in the new
> year for one or two bodies then again all will be well.  Of course, if
> you need the new flash as well then that has been back ordered for six
> months.
> Another way of looking at this, digital bodies are semi-disposable tools
> that you will be replacing every 24-36 months.  Put your money in the
> lenses that do what you want or are paid to do and just buy the bodies
> on schedule with out worrying too much about all the specs.
> Find a well stocked store, run through the lenses that make you money,
> then work with the bodies to see if they work logically with your way of
> thinking.  Most of the manufacturers have been pretty consistent with
> the camera work flow so a Nikon F6 should work pretty much the same as
> an F5.  Canon will not make another film body after the 1v but the
> digital bodies work pretty much the same way so there will be a
> consistent logic in how to control the camera.
> Don
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [] On Behalf
> Of Greg Locke
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:48 PM
> To: 'Leica Users Group'
> Subject: RE: [Leica] All bets are off
> I'm sure the R back will be fine and current R users will pick it up.
> The question is what will people like me do. Someone who needs to
> upgrade
> gear in the new year.
> I already have some Nikon lenses and digital bodies but I also will need
> some new SLR film bodies in the new year.
> Right now all my film work is shot on chrome with M6's. (And a burrowed
> F4
> if I need long glass)
> Do I stick with Nikon? The D2X eliminates all the complaints I have with
> the
> D1x and the D100 ...and based on the spec sheet is a damn fine camera.
> Nikon
> didn't wait 3 three years letting Canon have all the glory to turn out a
> dud. I THINK I might actually learn to like digital with the D2x where I
> only tolerate it now.
> ...or do I ditch the bit of Nikon gear I have and get a R film/digital
> combo
> kit?
> ...and what about that rumour of a digital back for the new F6?  :^)
> These are business decision that have to be made soon by many
> photographers
> and all this gear is really about pro use. Those that can affort it as a
> hobby still don't have the same considerations as a pro user.
> Greg Locke
> St. John's, Newfoundland
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > [] On
> > Behalf Of eric
> > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:15 PM
> > To: Leica Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] All bets are off
> >
> > How much faith do we all have in a R digital back to fufill
> > our digital needs?
> > Or are most planning to go canon/nikon digital route?
> >
> > Eric
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