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Subject: [Leica] Epson digital, or what?
From: bdcolen at (B. D. Colen)
Date: Tue May 25 18:24:22 2004

The noise issue appears to have already been addressed in a firmware
fix. Image quality is simply NOT an issue with the E-1 - the only issue,
at this point, is the lack of fast glass. And the lenses are very
reasonably priced.

B. D.
(Yes, I get free equipment from Olympus)

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[] On Behalf Of
Mark Rabiner
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:08 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Epson digital, or what?

Putting older Nikon glass on newer Nikon cameras is not in the same
category as putting Leica glass on an EOS camera I don?t feel. But as
far as mis matches go I feel even more so Olympus OM glass on it's
digital cameras in which the lens is not a great match for the body it
is "adapted" to in both form and function.. The image circle (four
thirds) which sounds like a great thing shape wise perhaps is in fact an
image circle half the size of film making of a 2 times magnification
instead of the 1.5 the industry had instantly gotten used to. As cute as
an Zuiko OM glass from the 70's might look on one of the cameras of that
era it's not going to look so cute on a modern E camera. Also
considering the image circle of these lense are twice what the E camera
is covering I'd want cuteness. And lots of it. To make up for the image
quality I'm not going to get. And also considering the value of the
"digital" glass Olympus is coming up with with it's not short list of
different parameters for digital needs. You are going to end up having
two different systems on your hands in the end.

A real downer so far is the fact that the glass Olympus has so far come
up with for this system although designed for an image circle half the
size of 35mm film photography is full sized and full priced. You may
have a cute little image circle but you don?t have cute little cheaper
glass to go with it which I'd expect to be the case. If the five or 6
companies really end up being involved than third party glass would be
availed which I'd expect to have these parameters. Fuji photo film,
matsushita electric industrial co., ltd., Sanyo electric co., ltd., and
sigma corporation. Sigma of course being the culprit to come out with
the more tempting glass. Or the only other option.

People with Canon's or Nikons on the other hand as they go digital have
a camera system which involves both film and digital bodies to go with
their lenses.

Also as of the first of this month there has been a big price cut in The
E system indicating that it is not catching on. But naturally we buy low
and sell high! :)

And it's four thirds concept was come up with partially with the idea of
addressing noise issues with digital photography. And it seems to be the
noisiest system of all if half the revues it's getting prove accurate.
Not that some cheap and effective anti noise software isn't part of
plenty of peoples workflow already.

*   Camera            Mp      Sensor       Image (pixies) Body(mm)
*   Olympus E1         5.1    17.4x13.1    2560x1920    141x104x81
*   Nikon D100         6.1    23.7x15.6    3008x2000    144x116x81
*   Nikon D2H          4.1    23.1x15.5    2484x1636    158x150x86
*   Canon EOS-10D      6.3    22.7x15.1    3072x2048    150x107x75
*   Canon EOS-1Ds      11.1   35.8x23.8    4064x2704    156x158x80
*   Canon EOS-1D       4.1    28.7x19.1    2464x1648    156x158x80
*   Pentax *ist DSLR   6.1    23.5x15.7    Unknown      129x95x60

Mark Rabiner
Portland Oregon


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