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Subject: Re: [Leica] PayPal rant
From: Jeffery Smith <jls@runbox.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:07:36 -0600
References: <3.0.6.32.20040202173707.007c6ca0@mail.mcn.org> <jhnt10pseeicoipef8sg6gja381dgugmfa@4ax.com> <3.0.6.32.20040202173707.007c6ca0@mail.mcn.org> <3.0.6.32.20040202214318.007cf590@mail.mcn.org> <50EBC913-5654-11D8-868F-0050E42E6E0B@shaw.ca>

In fairness to PayPal, every time I have been ripped off on ebay (twice), I 
have used Visa instead of PayPal. As a result, I'll probably continue to 
use PayPal and never use Visa again.

JLS

At 08:21 AM 2/3/2004, you wrote:
>The longest dispute I had was one month and a half. The seller just did 
>not answer his emails. So my first step after patiently emailing over and 
>over again -- say one polite email every three days --  was to officially 
>request his phone number through ebay. I got the phone number, he got a 
>notice. Everything sorted out very quickly after that.
>
>I have also had two auctions where the seller left town for extended 
>periods after completing their end of the deal. I wanted an adjustment due 
>to a poor description and I just patiently kept emailing until they came 
>home. Ditto on a couple of people who had an medical emergency and left me 
>hanging for awhile. A series of patient and polite emails from me until 
>they were available again worked just fine.
>
>I use Paypal so that I have the ultimate recourse of reversing the charges 
>on my credit card. Because I have this "up my sleeve" so the speak, I am 
>very patient and polite as I know I will win in the end. In my opinion, 
>and knowing nothing of the details, is that three weeks is not a very long 
>time.
>
>John Collier
>
>On Feb 2, 2004, at 10:43 PM, Richard Comen wrote:
>
>>Yes John, I contacted the seller twice and never heard from him, then I
>>contacted PayPal and they said they would look into it but they claimed
>>that they must keep their inquiry confidental so that was no help, I
>>reversed my payment after three weeks of negotiation and then PayPal froze
>>my account. I also notified the seller that I was reversing payment.
>>I for one am using checks and money orders from no on.
>>
>>Bichard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 08:13 PM 2/2/04 -0700, you wrote:
>>>Did you contact Paypal first? Did you use ebay's mediation first? If
>>>somebody reversed a charge on me with no explanation, warning or
>>>reasoning, I would treat them as suspicious too. Nothing personal as
>>>perhaps you did all the above...
>>>
>>>John Collier
>>>
>>>On Feb 2, 2004, at 6:37 PM, Richard Comen wrote:
>>>
>>>>I just bought something on ebay that I paid for via PayPal. I never
>>>>received the item so I had my bank reverse the payment. PayPal froze my
>>>>account and the burden of proof was on me to prove my "actions" were
>>>>not
>>>>suspicious. I do not need pals like paypal!
>
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