Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/12/17

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Subject: Re: [Leica] OT: Lunasix 3 issue
From: "Steven Blutter" <steven2244@ameritech.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:32:13 -0600
References: <OF9A7BA956.CF37C0E8-ON86256DFE.004F4FAC-86256DFE.004FADEC@crnotes2.rockwellcollins.com> <025f01c3c411$c7aa9800$0100a8c0@Desktop> <3FDF735C.415055C@rabinergroup.com>

will post - but thanks for the suggestion of other films

have been doing things one way for probably too long

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark@rabinergroup.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] OT: Lunasix 3 issue


> Steven Blutter wrote:
> >
> > well said - not at all ignorant.
> > 'right tool for the job'
> >
> > problem is, I'm working on several series' at once.  right now one is
tech
> > pan @ 25 - 50 ASA, the other is pushing tri-x to 3200 - 6400 in hot
> > developer (haven't settled on one yet).  subjects are equally varied.  I
> > like having one day and one night project so I can work at any time the
muse
> > strikes (and time allows!)
> >
> > a meter for each project?  i guess my bag just got a little heavier
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <grduprey@rockwellcollins.com>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] OT: Lunasix 3 issue
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> Saying you're rating your Tri x at 3200-6400 is like saying you're
> underexposing 3 or 4 stops!!!! and you're developing is making up for
> this somehow....???
> This I'd love to see and of course flies in the face of the basic rule
> of the way photography works which is you've exposed for the shadows and
> developed for the highlights. By this I mean if you have a true push
> you're getting sufficient shadow detail as well. It's the shadows in
> which we gage our film speed.
> Is there a reason you'd not give the faster films a shot? Tmax p3200,
> Neopan 1600 or Delta 3200? Why not push Plus X to 400 it makes as much
sense!
>
> Of course I've heard all kind of claims about pushing Tri x over the
> decades but never saw one past a stop that was not a ridiculously
> contrasty under exposed highly grainy print.
> Please post a picture with shadow detail in it with Tri x at 6400 or
> 3200 for that matter and I'd like to know what the
> formula-dilution-temperature is. I'll try it myself. Not wishing to be
> too negative or insulting but when I see it I'll eat it. Or visa versa.
>
> Mark Rabiner
> Portland, Oregon USA
> http://www.rabinergroup.com
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Replies: Reply from Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com> (Re: [Leica] OT: Lunasix 3 issue)
In reply to: Message from grduprey@rockwellcollins.com (Re: [Leica] OT: Lunasix 3 issue)
Message from "Steven Blutter" <steven2244@ameritech.net> (Re: [Leica] OT: Lunasix 3 issue)
Message from Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com> (Re: [Leica] OT: Lunasix 3 issue)