Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/11/13

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Subject: Re: [Leica] OT Neopan 1600 developers
From: Mark Rabiner <mark@markrabiner.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:53:21 -0800
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Nathan Wajsman wrote:
> 
> Thanks to Don and Mark and the others who contributed to the thread.
> Spurred by it, I bought a couple of rolls of Neopan 1600 and shot them
> (using EI 1600) at a Warhammer tournament my son was in on Sunday. I
> developed the negatives in XTOL 1+3, 13 minutes at 20C/68F in my Jobo,
> i.e. continuous agitation. I am now scanning them, and my experience is
> exactly as Don describes: they look thin on the light table, but when I
> see the scan (LS-2000), there seems to be much more detail in those
> shadows than is the case with Delta 3200. I will experiment some more,
> but it looks like I may be switching to this film for my high-speed needs.
> 
> Nathan
> 
>From my experience, Nathan it seems to me that you have properly exposed
but slightly under developed negs.
Just run it at 15 next time and your highlights should separate a bit
better from your shadows then they are now.

Its my opinion that when any exalted one or thing gives you a
development time it is only a starting time for YOU.

If your negs are printable from that first run then that's pretty good
and actually I kind of expect at least that.
But from that first batch you then adjust for your own darkroom set of
variables: water temperature (thermometer) and impurities, agitation,
global positioning and so on. Your darkroom and technique needs a
different time usually by a minute or two or more. And after a week or
so I'll end up tweaking the time again after I've had even more
experience with the stuff.
Again it's my experience that the Neopan is a half stop faster than the
Delta. And for a bit less money.
For once you don't get what you pay for. I love that.

I've had this Neopan 1600 stuff in my street camera for most of a year
or so and i no longer think of 1600 as high speed. I think of it as
normal. I think of 400 as medium and 100 or 50 as slow.

The results most would consider normal: Tri X in D76 1:1 is matched or
surpassed my the Delta in Xtol 1:3. That's been my delightful
experience. Hey we needed a break sometime!

Oh Lord! Wont' you buy me
Another couple of F stops.
My freinds all use view cameras.
I can not get enough!


Mark Rabiner
Portland, Oregon USA
http://www.markrabiner.com
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