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Subject: Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school: now DUCK CINDY!
From: gbennett@lainet.com
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:25:10 +0000 (GMT)
References: <B8295253.16EA8%jbcollier@powersurfr.com> <v0401170bb829c41727ab@[66.81.51.140]> <3C050CD1.1000603@earthlink.net>

Quoting "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>:
 
> Guy Bennett wrote:
> >
> >>Clever,
> >>yes. But that's what makes for the art world.
> >>B. D.
> > 
> > That's too simple. The art world (like the photography world, the
> music
> > world, the film world, etc.) is too complex and multifaceted to
> written off
> > with a single, dismissive jibe. Do you honestly believe that all
> successful
> > artists lack talent and are merely "clever"?
> > 
> 
> 
> Why would you even think, let alone ask that? Of course I am not 
> suggesting that all successful artists lack talent and are merely 
> clever. Why would anyone be foolish enough to suggest that.


Because that's what you wrote! Quote: [re Sherman] "Clever, yes. But that's what 
makes for the art world."



> What I was saying, in an obviously obtuse way


It was not obvious, and given the type of remarks you generally make about art 
photography, my "obvious" reading of your comment was not out of line. But the 
clarification below was both necessary and helpful.

Guy


> was 'that's what makes 
> for horse races.' Some successful artists are brilliant, talented, etc.,
> 
> and their work stands on its own. Other successful artists are 
> clever/bright folks who find a gimmick and ride it to success. Hey, what
> 
> about that "painter" featured on 60 Minutes this past Sunday who has 
> sold more "paintings" than virtually all the famous artists you can 
> mentioned combined. The kindest way to describe his work is 'motel art.'
> 
>   Absolutely execrable, saccharine, polychromatic renderings on 
> cottages, lighthouses, etc. etc., which are mass produced as prints that
> 
> then had a little paint applied to them and people then pay up to 
> $50,000 for these pieces of revolting drech....but it's "art." At least
> 
> to some people....
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> >>P.S. Enjoyed the song.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > Me too!
> > 
> > Guy
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>John Collier wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>OH goody, let's bash Cindy Sherman again! Let see....hmmm...how about
> a sing
> >>>along. I will write the first stanza and then perhaps everyone could
> take a
> >>>turn?
> >>>
> >>>Lead complainer in small caps and all the rest of you talented bums
> join in
> >>>on the all caps. Think more liturgy rather than Neil Diamond.
> >>>----------------
> >>>She started small,
> >>>
> >>>AND WE HATE THAT!
> >>>
> >>>She is hard working,
> >>>
> >>>AND WE HATE THAT!
> >>>
> >>>She is very talented,
> >>>
> >>>AND WE HATE THAT!
> >>>
> >>>She explores social issues,
> >>>
> >>>AND WE HATE THAT!
> >>>
> >>>Her work is highly regarded outside of inbred photographic groups,
> >>>
> >>>AND WE HATE THAT!
> >>>
> >>>She is doing so well she really does not care what we think,
> >>>
> >>>OH AND THAT REALLY BURNS US UP!
> >>>
> >>>--------------
> >>>
> >>>Over to you Arthur :-)
> >>>
> >>>John Collier
> >>>
> >>>PS: Can we finish with a rousing rendition of "God Bless Anne Geddes"
> ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: ARTHURWG@aol.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>and yes,  the most dreadful of all, Cindy Sherman--
> >>>>who thanks to luck and pluck has managed to escape from the academic
>  world
> >>>>
> >>>>
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In reply to: Message from John Collier <jbcollier@powersurfr.com> (Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school: now DUCK CINDY!)
Message from Guy Bennett <gbennett@lainet.com> (Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school: now DUCK CINDY!)
Message from "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> (Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school: now DUCK CINDY!)