[Leica] Was Need printing paper advice, Now NUDITY TINA.

[keith at wesselphoto.com (Keith Wessel)]

Someone (perhaps from this list) posted the following article on FB.   I 
think it furthers our understanding of Tina?s point.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/world/asia/nobuyoshi-araki-photographer-model.html

This article also assists us understand.  It is not so much the nudity, or 
whether or not we like the art, it has something to do with power over the 
subject.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/13/opinion/contributors/salma-hayek-harvey-weinstein.html


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From: Tina Manley via LUG
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 1:19 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Cc: Tina Manley
Subject: Re: [Leica] Was Need printing paper advice, Now NUDITY TINA.

Thanks, Ted.  I know you never photographed nudes!  Irene had something to
do with that, I'm sure ;-)  Tom knows my opinion of pornographic photos but
even he jokes sometimes that I could make more money doing "erotic" photos
and has volunteered to recruit models.  (NO!!  He knows his life would be
in danger!)

As the only regular female contributor to the LUG, I feel a responsibility
to stand up against the trend on OTHER sites (not the LUG) of taking
advantage of young girls by "dirty old men" with cameras.  I skip such
sites and block them whenever I can but that doesn't help the young girls
who are being taken advantage of.  Speaking up for them might help them to
realize that their bodies are their own and to be valued instead of
merchandized.

This is a site on FB that I have blocked.  It's premise and statement have
nothing at all to do with the photos that are posted.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/spbph/

This is the kind of salacious photography I am talking about.

Most of the nude photography that has been posted on the LUG falls into the
"art" category and I appreciate that.  It's wonderful for a family to visit
an art gallery and admire beautiful depictions of the human body.  It's not
fine for a family to look over Uncle Randy's shoulder as he peruses
pornographic websites.  That's the difference for this LUG family member.

Thanks, Brian.

Tina

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Ted Grant via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
wrote:

> Hi Tina,
> I agree with you absolutely! I many many years ago tried to shoot a nude or
> two! But I was always freaked out about doing them that I'd get in real
> trouble with my wife Irene. On top of that "my art photos" were about as
> interesting as a pile of bricks!
> Actually I think a pile of bricks would've been more interesting and
> exciting. :-) So I stuck to war, sports and the world over enjoying myself
> as you know! :-)
> cheers,
> Dr. ted  :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of
> Tina Manley via LUG
> Sent: May-06-18 7:03 PM
> To: lug
> Cc: Tina Manley
> Subject: [Leica] Was Need printing paper advice, Now NUDITY
>
> From: Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, May 6, 2018 at 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Need printing paper advice
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>
>
> I'll claim a "Me, too" here and say that I do not appreciate any nudes
> which appear to take advantage of unwitting females for the sole purpose of
> exposing their bodies salaciously.  Gratuitous nakedness for the purpose of
> arousal of one sex at the expense of the other, but claiming to be art,
> offends me.
>
> That said, I appreciate nudity as art, but not as pornography.  Most of the
> nude photography I have seen on the internet falls under the category of
> "old, rich man with cameras taking advantage of poor, young girls with no
> clothes who think they will be famous models."  On Facebook, the St.
> Petersburg Photographic Society photos are almost entirely in that
> category.  I find them very offensive and demeaning to women.
>
> If the nudity is labeled as such, I will view it and make my own decisions
> as to whether or not to view more by that photographer. I do defend their
> right to post the photos and do not approve of censorship.
>
> Tina
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Richard,
> >
> > I have had very good results with the Epson Velvet Fine Art for a matte
> > paper, and Ilford Gold Mono Silk for glossy b&w (no idea why a particular
> > paper would be better for b&w, but I like it).  Another excellent matte
> > paper is Hahnemuhle Torchon or most any of the Hahnemuhle papers for that
> > matter.  The photo ink line on my Epson 3880 failed, so I've been
> > revisiting the matte papers.  I'll order a new P800 anyway, but it has
> been
> > an eye-opener after printing only on gloss papers the last several years.
> >
> > Speaking of nudes, many years ago I joined a local photography club and
> it
> > had a "competition" night.  In the spirit of things, I entered a b&w nude
> > from a class with Cole Weston.  I was given one point out of five because
> > "nudes are not an appropriate subject for a photo club".  In retrospect,
> > they were pretty awful.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
>
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