Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/05/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]There is a real question whether Nikon users should convert from NEF to DNG or not. It's the old damned if you do, and damned if you don't. So the only solution is to shoot Canon, I meant, Leica, I meant Fuji, No, I meant FILM - that will solve the problems :-) On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:07 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>wrote: > Well now Jayanand I didn't want to disappoint you when you took a swipe at > Adobe again ;-) I think you are talking about opinions or preferences > though. Nothing wrong with different viewpoints there. What did I say that > wasn't fact? > > cheers > Geoff > > On 07/05/2013, at 14:57, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Geoff, > > I expected a retort from you. No problem - you believe what you must, > and I > > will believe what I must. > > > > I have spent my working life understanding companies and corporate > > behaviour, so I am very clear on what is generally good and what is not > so > > good for the end consumer, and I have learnt (by losing money by making > > biased investments) to be pretty clear headed about it, so there is, I > > think, a minimum of bias involved. Others can agree or not - I have no > > problems with that - I am only making a point as I see it. > > > > Cheers > > Jayanand > > > > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> Jayanand, Cloud based applications are becoming more prevalent for good > or > >> worse. Not unique to Adobe though. Microsoft being the 800 lb gorilla of > >> course. Your two favourite companies I think ;-) > >> DNG of course is what we have from Leicas so I don't think it helps much > >> to rail against it on a nominally Leica list . The format makes perfect > >> sense for the small company. > >> There's no endless debate on Canon/Nikon openly publishing their > >> proprietary Raw data. Nikon at least do not. Nikon have issued joint > >> statements with Adobe in the past. You can use Adobe applications with > >> Nikon NEF files natively or you can convert them to DNG. Nikon requires > you > >> to have their software to access the encrypted WB information. How is > their > >> proprietary format not a monopoly and Adobe's documented open standard > that > >> any company can implement for free a monopoly? > >> I shoot quite a bit with my D600 and had the D7000 before that. As is > >> obvious they do some things better than M's. Personally I have never > >> observed any practical differences comparing the original NEF's and > DNG's > >> converted from them. I don't care at all about their encrypted WB > >> information either. I do prefer some of the advantages of the DNG's for > my > >> workflow. That is only personal choice though. I never installed the > free > >> version of the Nikon software at all and paying more for their full > >> featured version doesn't make sense to me when I already use LR anyway. > I'm > >> sure that there are many people content with the Nikon offerings only. > >> cheers > >> Geoff > >> > >> On 07/05/2013, at 13:04, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> Typical Adobe behaviour and pricing. The power of monopoly in full > flow! > >>> They really are one of the few general market consumer software > companies > >>> that can get away with this sort of predatory pricing and behaviour. I > >>> remember propagating the view during the endless debate on Canon/Nikon > >> not > >>> openly publishing their proprietary RAW data so that Adobe could > design a > >>> better Camera RAW, that the real danger was Adobe, not the camera > >>> manufacturers, because they are a monopoly, and that is always the most > >>> dangerous type of entity for end users. Now that axiom is coming home > to > >>> roost. I really do not understand why anybody would want to even more > >>> firmly get into their clutches by using DNG (unless unavoidable, i.e. > >>> Leica). > >>> Cheers > >>> Jayanand > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:56 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/adobe_kills_creative_suite_for_cloud/ > >>>> > >>>> That should save some money, shame that they do not realise that we do > >> not > >>>> all live in the USA or Europe and have high latency to their servers > :-( > >>>> > >>>> john > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto