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Subject: [Leica] Winograd exhibit
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 21:35:21 -0700
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I will just let the observation stands - there's no Asian and few African
Americans in his vast collection of photos (that we know of).

Whether it's a subject worth analyzing or not is another matter. Probably
not.


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, he certainly had a lot of skill, and what we see is the result of a
> lot of editing. We don't know for a fact who or what everything was that he
> actually photographed. Ok, ok; I know ... same difference ... move the
> argument over to what we actually see after edits. I don't understand the
> kind of bias you're hinting at. If someone shoots cowboy shows, which he
> did, would that make him biased against antique fairs? I also don't think
> of criticism as a form of acknowledgement or recognition.
> It's like "Criticize me!! That way I'll at least know you know I'm
> here."  Good criticism is way more than this. Poor people and rich people
> don't go in for this sort of attention and neither do I, although I'm
> neither.
>
> -Lew Schwartz
>
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Richard Man <richard at 
> richardmanphoto.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Lew, may be it's a form of approval,... or may be it is a form of color
> > blindness. Come on, during the long period he photographed, from 40s to
> > 80s, there were no interesting, even people to be critical about, of
> other
> > races that he had met or seen?
> >
> > We are not talking someone who takes 100 pictures or even 1000 pictures a
> > year. In that case, what do you expect type of thing. He takes 100
> pictures
> > a day easily. If you roam the streets of LA, or NY etc. and take that
> many
> > pictures, it takes skills not to take pictures of people of colors or
> > Asians...
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not sure I entirely understand Richards remarks. Winogrand never
> > > represented himself to be a news photographer, although he undoubtedly
> > took
> > > assignments and was presented to the public under that rubric. I've
> > always
> > > thought of him as highly critical of the society he photographed. His
> > > omissions may be a form of approval.
> > >
> > > -Lew Schwartz
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Phil Swango <pswango at att.net> 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Richard Man wrote:
> > > > > Winograd is not my favorite street artist, mainly because it's the
> > same
> > > > > type of photos he shot. For example, the periods he covered
> included
> > > the
> > > > > civil rights movement and of all the hundreds of photos in the
> show,
> > > > there
> > > > > are may be 3-4 photos where African American are present, and as
> far
> > as
> > > > we
> > > > > can tell, exactly one photo where there is an Asian present - and
> > only
> > > > > because she was pretty and had goofy hair.
> > > >
> > > > Interesting thoughts Richard.  We just had a lecture in the local
> > museum
> > > > about race, representation and photography.  There's also an
> > interesting
> > > > new book in which an AA female photographer shoots her white friends
> > and
> > > > muses on whether and how race may figure into reading the photo.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/some-of-her-best-friends-are-white/
> > > >
> > > > If the link doesn't work look up Myra Greene.  The book is "My White
> > > > Friends."  I've ordered it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Phil Swango
> > > > 307 Aliso Dr SE
> > > > Albuquerque, NM 87108
> > > > 505-262-4085
> > > >
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