Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/05/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Well now Jayanand I didn't want to disappoint you when you took a swipe at Adobe again ;-) I think you are talking about opinions or preferences though. Nothing wrong with different viewpoints there. What did I say that wasn't fact? cheers Geoff On 07/05/2013, at 14:57, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: > Geoff, > I expected a retort from you. No problem - you believe what you must, and I > will believe what I must. > > I have spent my working life understanding companies and corporate > behaviour, so I am very clear on what is generally good and what is not so > good for the end consumer, and I have learnt (by losing money by making > biased investments) to be pretty clear headed about it, so there is, I > think, a minimum of bias involved. Others can agree or not - I have no > problems with that - I am only making a point as I see it. > > Cheers > Jayanand > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at > gmail.com>wrote: > >> Jayanand, Cloud based applications are becoming more prevalent for good or >> worse. Not unique to Adobe though. Microsoft being the 800 lb gorilla of >> course. Your two favourite companies I think ;-) >> DNG of course is what we have from Leicas so I don't think it helps much >> to rail against it on a nominally Leica list . The format makes perfect >> sense for the small company. >> There's no endless debate on Canon/Nikon openly publishing their >> proprietary Raw data. Nikon at least do not. Nikon have issued joint >> statements with Adobe in the past. You can use Adobe applications with >> Nikon NEF files natively or you can convert them to DNG. Nikon requires >> you >> to have their software to access the encrypted WB information. How is >> their >> proprietary format not a monopoly and Adobe's documented open standard >> that >> any company can implement for free a monopoly? >> I shoot quite a bit with my D600 and had the D7000 before that. As is >> obvious they do some things better than M's. Personally I have never >> observed any practical differences comparing the original NEF's and DNG's >> converted from them. I don't care at all about their encrypted WB >> information either. I do prefer some of the advantages of the DNG's for my >> workflow. That is only personal choice though. I never installed the free >> version of the Nikon software at all and paying more for their full >> featured version doesn't make sense to me when I already use LR anyway. >> I'm >> sure that there are many people content with the Nikon offerings only. >> cheers >> Geoff >> >> On 07/05/2013, at 13:04, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Typical Adobe behaviour and pricing. The power of monopoly in full flow! >>> They really are one of the few general market consumer software companies >>> that can get away with this sort of predatory pricing and behaviour. I >>> remember propagating the view during the endless debate on Canon/Nikon >> not >>> openly publishing their proprietary RAW data so that Adobe could design a >>> better Camera RAW, that the real danger was Adobe, not the camera >>> manufacturers, because they are a monopoly, and that is always the most >>> dangerous type of entity for end users. Now that axiom is coming home to >>> roost. I really do not understand why anybody would want to even more >>> firmly get into their clutches by using DNG (unless unavoidable, i.e. >>> Leica). >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:56 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/adobe_kills_creative_suite_for_cloud/ >>>> >>>> That should save some money, shame that they do not realise that we do >> not >>>> all live in the USA or Europe and have high latency to their servers :-( >>>> >>>> john >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information