Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/16
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]sorry--i meant that to be off list as i disengaged from this discussion yesterday ric On Dec 16, 2012, at 8:41 AM, Ric Carter <ricc at embarqmail.com> wrote: > so true > > we're not ALL nutcases here, but there is a huge amount of delusion about > the real world > > ric > > On Dec 16, 2012, at 12:09 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Of course, you have no aberrations in the USA. No desolate and bombed >> out cities to photograph. No right wing loonie policemen >> misinterpreting legal statutes. The government does not open posts, >> eavesdrop on telephone conversations, monitor internet chat rooms, >> rummage through locked luggage, etc. All because of one terrorist >> incident, which the rest of the world faces more regularly, and >> largely created by the USA's own astonishingly short sighted foreign >> policy. Only the third world has all these problems. How stupid of me, >> I should have known all these things. (-: >> >> By the way, the girls were released in a few hours, and the cases >> withdrawn because of the public anger stoked by the media. >> >> On the other hand, all Asian cities I have been to are very safe by >> any standard. You can walk around without worry at 2 am, even in >> cities with abysmal poverty levels like Mumbai, Bangkok or Kuala >> Lumpur. Toddlers do not get randomly massacred by gun toting loonies. >> I have never heard a gun fired in the cities in my life of 60 years. I >> have held a gun in my hand just once in my life. Manliness and self >> respect is not equated to bearing arms and killing all living things. >> You takes your pick.... >> >> The most fallacious argument is this rise/fall in acts of crime. In >> percentage terms this might look massive, but in absolute terms the >> data speaks differently. Marginal changes on a low base leads to high >> percentage swings, but very low absolute differences. >> >> Cheers >> Jayanand >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 16-Dec-2012, at 1:24 AM, Chris Crawford <chris at >> chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote: >> >>> Jayandand's country, India, threw two teenage girls in jail a couple >>> weeks >>> ago because one of them posted a comment on Facebook about a dead >>> politician that angered his followers, and the other girl merely "liked" >>> the first girl's post. Both were arrested. >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Crawford >>> Fine Art Photography >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>> 260-437-8990 >>> >>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >>> >>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >>> Become a fan on Facebook >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/15/12 2:29 PM, "jon.streeter" <jon.streeter at cox.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Do "most Asian countries" have a constitution with the guarantees of >>>> freedom of the press and the right of the people to keep and bear arms, >>>> in writing with a history of high-court decisions affirming those >>>> rights? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >>>> >>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>> From: "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jayanand at gmail.com> >>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Subject: [Leica] Gun control >>>> Date: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:03 am >>>> >>>> >>>> Most Asian countries have all these things. It is by no means restricted >>>> only to the USA. >>>> Cheers >>>> Jayanand >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Phil Forrest >>>> <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Most countries in the East also don't have the freedoms of speech, >>>>> religion, press like we do here. Right to due process of law. Innocence >>>>> until proven guilty by a jury of one's peers. Right to a speedy trial. >>>>> Right to be secure in one's effects. Equal protection under the law for >>>>> all citizens. Right to vote. The list goes down the Bill of Rights and >>>>> through the rest of the US Constitution. No matter what nation says >>>>> they have it right, they are wrong. Nobody is perfect, including the >>>>> USA but here in the USA we have these rights and many are willing to >>>>> give their lives to protect them. >>>>> >>>>> Phil Forrest >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:11:42 +0800 >>>>> David Ching <davidhhching1 at yahoo.com.sg> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Most countries in the East ban possession of fire-arms by individuals >>>>>> and unlicensed bodies. Schools here do not have metal detectors. >>>>>> The students in general study in safe environments little affected by >>>>>> violence, drugs or extortion. Only bullying by peers rears its ugly >>>>>> head in certain schools. We watch the same violent movies. Have the >>>>>> same concerns about safety. This is the 21st century. Why does >>>>>> Americans need to have guns for self-protection? Stop shooting games >>>>>> & hunting with bullets. 'Shoot' with glass! Capture not kill not >>>>>> maim. It's time to act when little innocent kids get killed and >>>>>> scarred for life. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's indeed a very sad day in the history of the USA. And I am >>>>>> certain some other shooter will try to outdo this latest insane act. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark, the firearms industry and gun toting lovers will always defend >>>>>> the right to arms. Until one of their kind is personally affected, I >>>>>> suppose. Sorry but I don't see the logic. Perhaps our differences in >>>>>> lifestyles account for this madness. It's not matter of the East >>>>>> versus the West. The Europeans do not bear arms. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I see it, the only way out is a total ban on guns for the civilian >>>>>> population. Of course with the usual exceptions.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> David Ching >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/ >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information