Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Of course, you have no aberrations in the USA. No desolate and bombed out cities to photograph. No right wing loonie policemen misinterpreting legal statutes. The government does not open posts, eavesdrop on telephone conversations, monitor internet chat rooms, rummage through locked luggage, etc. All because of one terrorist incident, which the rest of the world faces more regularly, and largely created by the USA's own astonishingly short sighted foreign policy. Only the third world has all these problems. How stupid of me, I should have known all these things. (-: By the way, the girls were released in a few hours, and the cases withdrawn because of the public anger stoked by the media. On the other hand, all Asian cities I have been to are very safe by any standard. You can walk around without worry at 2 am, even in cities with abysmal poverty levels like Mumbai, Bangkok or Kuala Lumpur. Toddlers do not get randomly massacred by gun toting loonies. I have never heard a gun fired in the cities in my life of 60 years. I have held a gun in my hand just once in my life. Manliness and self respect is not equated to bearing arms and killing all living things. You takes your pick.... The most fallacious argument is this rise/fall in acts of crime. In percentage terms this might look massive, but in absolute terms the data speaks differently. Marginal changes on a low base leads to high percentage swings, but very low absolute differences. Cheers Jayanand Sent from my iPad On 16-Dec-2012, at 1:24 AM, Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote: > Jayandand's country, India, threw two teenage girls in jail a couple weeks > ago because one of them posted a comment on Facebook about a dead > politician that angered his followers, and the other girl merely "liked" > the first girl's post. Both were arrested. > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-437-8990 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > Become a fan on Facebook > > > > On 12/15/12 2:29 PM, "jon.streeter" <jon.streeter at cox.net> wrote: > >> Do "most Asian countries" have a constitution with the guarantees of >> freedom of the press and the right of the people to keep and bear arms, >> in writing with a history of high-court decisions affirming those rights? >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jayanand at gmail.com> >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: [Leica] Gun control >> Date: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:03 am >> >> >> Most Asian countries have all these things. It is by no means restricted >> only to the USA. >> Cheers >> Jayanand >> >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Phil Forrest >> <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>wrote: >> >>> Most countries in the East also don't have the freedoms of speech, >>> religion, press like we do here. Right to due process of law. Innocence >>> until proven guilty by a jury of one's peers. Right to a speedy trial. >>> Right to be secure in one's effects. Equal protection under the law for >>> all citizens. Right to vote. The list goes down the Bill of Rights and >>> through the rest of the US Constitution. No matter what nation says >>> they have it right, they are wrong. Nobody is perfect, including the >>> USA but here in the USA we have these rights and many are willing to >>> give their lives to protect them. >>> >>> Phil Forrest >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:11:42 +0800 >>> David Ching <davidhhching1 at yahoo.com.sg> wrote: >>> >>>> Most countries in the East ban possession of fire-arms by individuals >>>> and unlicensed bodies. Schools here do not have metal detectors. >>>> The students in general study in safe environments little affected by >>>> violence, drugs or extortion. Only bullying by peers rears its ugly >>>> head in certain schools. We watch the same violent movies. Have the >>>> same concerns about safety. This is the 21st century. Why does >>>> Americans need to have guns for self-protection? Stop shooting games >>>> & hunting with bullets. 'Shoot' with glass! Capture not kill not >>>> maim. It's time to act when little innocent kids get killed and >>>> scarred for life. >>>> >>>> It's indeed a very sad day in the history of the USA. And I am >>>> certain some other shooter will try to outdo this latest insane act. >>>> >>>> Mark, the firearms industry and gun toting lovers will always defend >>>> the right to arms. Until one of their kind is personally affected, I >>>> suppose. Sorry but I don't see the logic. Perhaps our differences in >>>> lifestyles account for this madness. It's not matter of the East >>>> versus the West. The Europeans do not bear arms. >>>> >>>> As I see it, the only way out is a total ban on guns for the civilian >>>> population. Of course with the usual exceptions.. >>>> >>>> >>>> David Ching >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/ >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information