Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/16
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]so true we're not ALL nutcases here, but there is a huge amount of delusion about the real world ric On Dec 16, 2012, at 12:09 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: > Of course, you have no aberrations in the USA. No desolate and bombed > out cities to photograph. No right wing loonie policemen > misinterpreting legal statutes. The government does not open posts, > eavesdrop on telephone conversations, monitor internet chat rooms, > rummage through locked luggage, etc. All because of one terrorist > incident, which the rest of the world faces more regularly, and > largely created by the USA's own astonishingly short sighted foreign > policy. Only the third world has all these problems. How stupid of me, > I should have known all these things. (-: > > By the way, the girls were released in a few hours, and the cases > withdrawn because of the public anger stoked by the media. > > On the other hand, all Asian cities I have been to are very safe by > any standard. You can walk around without worry at 2 am, even in > cities with abysmal poverty levels like Mumbai, Bangkok or Kuala > Lumpur. Toddlers do not get randomly massacred by gun toting loonies. > I have never heard a gun fired in the cities in my life of 60 years. I > have held a gun in my hand just once in my life. Manliness and self > respect is not equated to bearing arms and killing all living things. > You takes your pick.... > > The most fallacious argument is this rise/fall in acts of crime. In > percentage terms this might look massive, but in absolute terms the > data speaks differently. Marginal changes on a low base leads to high > percentage swings, but very low absolute differences. > > Cheers > Jayanand > > Sent from my iPad > > On 16-Dec-2012, at 1:24 AM, Chris Crawford <chris at > chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote: > >> Jayandand's country, India, threw two teenage girls in jail a couple weeks >> ago because one of them posted a comment on Facebook about a dead >> politician that angered his followers, and the other girl merely "liked" >> the first girl's post. Both were arrested. >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Fine Art Photography >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> 260-437-8990 >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >> Become a fan on Facebook >> >> >> >> On 12/15/12 2:29 PM, "jon.streeter" <jon.streeter at cox.net> wrote: >> >>> Do "most Asian countries" have a constitution with the guarantees of >>> freedom of the press and the right of the people to keep and bear arms, >>> in writing with a history of high-court decisions affirming those rights? >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >>> >>> ----- Reply message ----- >>> From: "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jayanand at gmail.com> >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: [Leica] Gun control >>> Date: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:03 am >>> >>> >>> Most Asian countries have all these things. It is by no means restricted >>> only to the USA. >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Phil Forrest >>> <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>wrote: >>> >>>> Most countries in the East also don't have the freedoms of speech, >>>> religion, press like we do here. Right to due process of law. Innocence >>>> until proven guilty by a jury of one's peers. Right to a speedy trial. >>>> Right to be secure in one's effects. Equal protection under the law for >>>> all citizens. Right to vote. The list goes down the Bill of Rights and >>>> through the rest of the US Constitution. No matter what nation says >>>> they have it right, they are wrong. Nobody is perfect, including the >>>> USA but here in the USA we have these rights and many are willing to >>>> give their lives to protect them. >>>> >>>> Phil Forrest >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:11:42 +0800 >>>> David Ching <davidhhching1 at yahoo.com.sg> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Most countries in the East ban possession of fire-arms by individuals >>>>> and unlicensed bodies. Schools here do not have metal detectors. >>>>> The students in general study in safe environments little affected by >>>>> violence, drugs or extortion. Only bullying by peers rears its ugly >>>>> head in certain schools. We watch the same violent movies. Have the >>>>> same concerns about safety. This is the 21st century. Why does >>>>> Americans need to have guns for self-protection? Stop shooting games >>>>> & hunting with bullets. 'Shoot' with glass! Capture not kill not >>>>> maim. It's time to act when little innocent kids get killed and >>>>> scarred for life. >>>>> >>>>> It's indeed a very sad day in the history of the USA. And I am >>>>> certain some other shooter will try to outdo this latest insane act. >>>>> >>>>> Mark, the firearms industry and gun toting lovers will always defend >>>>> the right to arms. Until one of their kind is personally affected, I >>>>> suppose. Sorry but I don't see the logic. Perhaps our differences in >>>>> lifestyles account for this madness. It's not matter of the East >>>>> versus the West. The Europeans do not bear arms. >>>>> >>>>> As I see it, the only way out is a total ban on guns for the civilian >>>>> population. Of course with the usual exceptions.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David Ching >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/ >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information