Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/09/21

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Subject: [Leica] New M
From: ken at iisaka.com (Ken Iisaka)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:48:03 -0700
References: <ECF8A016-B645-4BAF-9E47-0D2AB4CFC39B@mcmaster.co.nz> <CC7E67E2.23B44%mark@rabinergroup.com> <80F9701439F20347874CE5E4E03C22E9965662FF@WHIZZMAIL02.whizz.org> <b025739e9db18f4d0f50f86919490aab.squirrel@emailmg.globat.com> <CAH1UNJ0Mv8HQ1xa=0OwhwN7R=kpmnOeHiTd-XnggpMaJvdEmEA@mail.gmail.com> <3765b03f258cab85be4617d5acf4a507.squirrel@emailmg.globat.com> <CAH1UNJ2=3CVKY7OXQxjEskdOYAciFDAMjk+ceVg1ynWTHYbW6Q@mail.gmail.com> <6eb61bdf21c3860ea9d2550251822c66.squirrel@emailmg.globat.com> <CAH1UNJ28c6H6zzv409zXLMEhPWDmKqp50mDAeowXDb0ZSPi1ig@mail.gmail.com> <28A89883-F7E8-4C0C-9791-CDF080F60DD0@frozenlight.eu>

This occurs because image stabilization is optimised for the plane of
focus, and out-of-focus parts will be either undercompensated or
overcompensated.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at 
frozenlight.eu>wrote:

> My experience is similar--without being able to put a finger on it, I have
> always found images with IS to be, slightly weird, for lack of a better
> word. As a consequence, I always switch it off on cameras that have it.
>
> Cheers,
> Nathan
>
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> http://www.greatpix.eu
> http://www.nathanfoto.com
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>
>
> YNWA
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
>
> > It does not happen all the time but quite often you get a sort of double
> > image of the stuff in the bokeh when VR is on - see these examples, all
> > with the first generation Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 and TC 1.7x, pretty much
> wide
> > open at f5:
> >
> >
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/jayanand/Ranthambhore_001/March+2009/Ranthambore_20090309_795.jpg.html
> >
> >
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/jayanand/Ranthambhore_001/March+2009/Ranthambore_20090305_556.jpg.html
> >
> > This is a very similar background with VR off, same lens combo, also at
> f5:
> >
> >
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/jayanand/Ranthambhore_001/March+2009/Ranthambore_20090309_177b.jpg.html
> >
> > Here is an article about Nikon's implementation of VR by Thom Hogan that
> is
> > very interesting:
> >
> > http://www.bythom.com/nikon-vr.htm
> >
> > The upshot is that nowadays I do not switch on VR unless I absolutely
> > require it. I try to get by on shutter speed, and only if I cannot, I
> rely
> > on VR. With the low light performance of Nikon's sensors at present
> relying
> > on shutter speed alone is entirely possible.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Jayanand
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM, <afirkin at afirkin.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> It always helps, I agree. I just jack up the shutter speed for my
> >>> preferred
> >>> aperture if I am in doubt, and let the ISO fall where it may. The one
> >>> problem I have noticed with VR is that bokeh gets affected quite often
> >> for
> >>> the worse.
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Jayanand
> >>
> >> The bokeh: that is an interesting notion. I will sleep on it, but I
> can't
> >> see why holding the image stable will affect the out of focus
> rendition. I
> >> will keep an eye out for this though.
> >>
> >> The oly of course is smaller sensor: ie will always have greater DOF and
> >> perhaps this could affect things. Smaller sensors are easier to
> >> 'stabilize' in the body of the camera, but Sony has done it. NOt sure
> how
> >> well.
> >>
> >> Cheers and thanks for the comment
> >>
> >> Alastair
> >>
> >>
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