Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/05/07

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Subject: [Leica] doing it for real
From: leica at ralgo.nl (bruce golding)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:17:51 +0200
References: <83F6E465236549968291D19D65F6C199@Bigguy> <200905061323.BOF29218@rg4.comporium.net> <483345F1-ACDC-4CC1-81D7-E307543186CC@charter.net> <4A01C6AC.2080704@tele2.fr> <26D26E71-75C1-44DF-B658-002ED2BFF613@charter.net> <3cad89990905061953y27b0c474j1f2a9785c3bbecb1@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20090507102005.02d2d5b8@pop.med.cornell.edu> <36310349-5606-4D72-A856-3CBA4EEBC597@cox.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20090507110513.02cb8ad8@pop.med.cornell.edu> <73FED7AA-8DB1-4FC4-8594-B78E922F9C5F@cox.net>

steve, tell that to the western world ................ and those who  
live in hope.

it all relates to man's demand for possession. food need is excepted.

b.

On 7-mei-2009, at 19:03, Steve Barbour wrote:

>
> On May 7, 2009, at 8:12 AM, Chris Saganich wrote:
>
>> Correct although I never to meant to imply I thought this is  
>> static, one achieves new perspective through interaction in the  
>> world and then subsequently must reinterpret what they think.   
>> Having an open or positive mindset allows this but many people  
>> have fixed mindsets and are not open to new perspectives.  They  
>> are static.
>
>
> yes,
>
> so the problem is not what's available, it's peoples' desire/ 
> ability to access it.
>
> Steve
>
>
>>
>> At 10:36 AM 5/7/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>> On May 7, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Chris Saganich wrote:
>>>
>>>> Reading and watching is a state.  The interpretation of what you
>>>> read and watch is the action.  A person can read and watch
>>>> everything that exists and will only interpret within their
>>>> perspective.  How can an interpretation be made outside your
>>>> perspective?  I believe therefore one would be hard-pressed to come
>>>> up with an example of a person making an interpretation outside  
>>>> what
>>>> they already think.
>>>
>>> at the core I agree with you Chris, but things are not static... if
>>> one is open to learning,
>>>
>>> once that is accomplished, a person may be capable of new
>>> interpretations...
>>>
>>> so one has to be open to learning, and find productive avenues to
>>> accomplish that....
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Or do you do what most people do, only read/watch what fits
>>>>> in with what they already think? I really feel sorry for you!
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Slobodan Dimitrov
>>>>> <s.dimitrov at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> > I'm in the middle of reading Human Smoke, Nicholson Baker, 2008.
>>>>> It's a
>>>>> > history of the interwar period, up to 1941, using news articles,
>>>>> diary
>>>>> > entries, etc., from a pacifist's point of view.
>>>>> > It's grim reading, and an indelible commentary on journalism,
>>>>> without
>>>>> > "choosing sides".
>>>>> > The BBC strikes me as being virtually within the same mold as
>>>>> Radio Free
>>>>> > America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Moscow, Vatican Radio, etc.
>>>>> Meaning it is
>>>>> > a "point of view" form of broadcasting, with government funding.
>>>>> > S.d.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On May 6, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Philippe AMARD wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Slobodan Dimitrov wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Outside of the former Soviet environment, British  
>>>>> journalism is
>>>>> one  of
>>>>> >>> the most censored on the planet.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> BBC included?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I must listen to Bejing radio immediately
>>>>> >> Ph
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Then again, on the academic level, anyone learning journalism
>>>>> in the  US,
>>>>> >>> at the multiplicity of Annenberg School(s) for Communication,
>>>>> is  taught
>>>>> >>> self censorship. A predictable mind provides a safe product.
>>>>> >>> S.d.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On May 6, 2009, at 6:23 AM, Tina Manley wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> At 08:41 AM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Mark said:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> And why would you felt like you needed to oblige them?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Because they refuse access unless you agree to their terms.
>>>>> That's
>>>>> >>>>  true of more and more organizations.  All of the photos  
>>>>> taken
>>>>> on  National
>>>>> >>>> Trust property in England have been removed from Alamy
>>>>> because the Trust
>>>>> >>>> refuses to allow photographers use photos taken  on their
>>>>> grounds.  Usually
>>>>> >>>> it's because the organization wants to  make money themselves
>>>>> by leasing the
>>>>> >>>> photos - like many museums  don't allow photography so they
>>>>> can sell slides
>>>>> >>>> and prints in the  gift shop.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> The exact same thing...When the subjects lay out ground  
>>>>> rules
>>>>> for
>>>>> >>>>>  access or want to review images before publication it's  
>>>>> time
>>>>> to  walk away.
>>>>> >>>>> Walt
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I agree but there are more and more things we're having to
>>>>> walk  away
>>>>> >>>> from these days.  British photographers are protesting the
>>>>> National Trust
>>>>> >>>> stand but I doubt they'll be able to change anything.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Tina
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Tina Manley
>>>>> >>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>>>> >>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Chris Saganich MS, CPH
>>>> Senior Physicist, Office of Health Physics
>>>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University
>>>> New York Presbyterian Hospital
>>>> chs2018 at med.cornell.edu
>>>> http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/
>>>> Ph. 212.746.6964
>>>> Fax. 212.746.4800
>>>> Office A-0049
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Chris Saganich MS, CPH
>> Senior Physicist, Office of Health Physics
>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University
>> New York Presbyterian Hospital
>> chs2018 at med.cornell.edu
>> http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/
>> Ph. 212.746.6964
>> Fax. 212.746.4800
>> Office A-0049
>>
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