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Subject: [Leica] doing it for real
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:36:56 -0700
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On May 7, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Chris Saganich wrote:

> Reading and watching is a state.  The interpretation of what you  
> read and watch is the action.  A person can read and watch  
> everything that exists and will only interpret within their  
> perspective.  How can an interpretation be made outside your  
> perspective?  I believe therefore one would be hard-pressed to come  
> up with an example of a person making an interpretation outside what  
> they already think.

at the core I agree with you Chris, but things are not static... if  
one is open to learning,

once that is accomplished, a person may be capable of new  
interpretations...

so one has to be open to learning, and find productive avenues to  
accomplish that....

Steve
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>> Or do you do what most people do, only read/watch what fits
>> in with what they already think? I really feel sorry for you!
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Slobodan Dimitrov
>> <s.dimitrov at charter.net> wrote:
>> > I'm in the middle of reading Human Smoke, Nicholson Baker, 2008.  
>> It's a
>> > history of the interwar period, up to 1941, using news articles,  
>> diary
>> > entries, etc., from a pacifist's point of view.
>> > It's grim reading, and an indelible commentary on journalism,  
>> without
>> > "choosing sides".
>> > The BBC strikes me as being virtually within the same mold as  
>> Radio Free
>> > America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Moscow, Vatican Radio, etc.  
>> Meaning it is
>> > a "point of view" form of broadcasting, with government funding.
>> > S.d.
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 6, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Philippe AMARD wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Slobodan Dimitrov wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Outside of the former Soviet environment, British journalism is  
>> one  of
>> >>> the most censored on the planet.
>> >>
>> >> BBC included?
>> >>
>> >> I must listen to Bejing radio immediately
>> >> Ph
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Then again, on the academic level, anyone learning journalism  
>> in the  US,
>> >>> at the multiplicity of Annenberg School(s) for Communication,  
>> is  taught
>> >>> self censorship. A predictable mind provides a safe product.
>> >>> S.d.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On May 6, 2009, at 6:23 AM, Tina Manley wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> At 08:41 AM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Mark said:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> And why would you felt like you needed to oblige them?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Because they refuse access unless you agree to their terms.   
>> That's
>> >>>>  true of more and more organizations.  All of the photos taken  
>> on  National
>> >>>> Trust property in England have been removed from Alamy   
>> because the Trust
>> >>>> refuses to allow photographers use photos taken  on their  
>> grounds.  Usually
>> >>>> it's because the organization wants to  make money themselves  
>> by leasing the
>> >>>> photos - like many museums  don't allow photography so they  
>> can sell slides
>> >>>> and prints in the  gift shop.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> The exact same thing...When the subjects lay out ground rules  
>> for
>> >>>>>  access or want to review images before publication it's time  
>> to  walk away.
>> >>>>> Walt
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I agree but there are more and more things we're having to  
>> walk  away
>> >>>> from these days.  British photographers are protesting the   
>> National Trust
>> >>>> stand but I doubt they'll be able to change anything.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tina
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tina Manley
>> >>>> www.tinamanley.com
>> >>>>
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> Chris Saganich MS, CPH
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Replies: Reply from chs2018 at med.cornell.edu (Chris Saganich) ([Leica] doing it for real)
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